dixielou
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posted on April 18, 2006 07:32:16 PM new
I see this auction:
http://tinyurl.com/pdzgq
But then I see this auction:
http://tinyurl.com/p2ke5
One says made by 4 Amish women who have over 77 years combined in the quilt making business. This seller just happens to live in Amishland.
However the other seller says the quilt, which happens to be identical to the other seller's, is NOT Amish.
Coincidentally they are both selling a "Flying Geese" quilt that are identical. One says Amish made, the other says NOT Amish.
I bet my last dollar Ms. Amish is getting hers from the exact same vendor. If so, I don't see any difference between her and someone selling a counterfeit handbag.
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hwahwa
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posted on April 18, 2006 07:46:00 PM new
counterfeit handbag?
Not so,do you have to be Amish to make Amish quilt??
When I was in Toledo,Ohio,I ate in a Chinese restaurant where the Chinese food is served up by white American cook.
And I have eaten sushi in Japanese restaurant prepared by non Japanese,in fact no one in that restaurant is Japanese.
And all the Inuit/Eskimo/American Indian souvenirs made in Far East Asia?
/ lets all stop whining !! /
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dixielou
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posted on April 18, 2006 08:05:24 PM new
hwahwa -
What does eating in a Chinese restaurant have to do with this?
Do you know ANYTHING about Amish-made products?
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hwahwa
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posted on April 18, 2006 08:16:56 PM new
No ,I dont know much about Amish products,but it looks like a rather simple design and from the picture ,how can you tell they are the same?
One could be made by Amish and one made in Asia.
/ lets all stop whining !! /
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max40
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posted on April 18, 2006 08:32:02 PM new
I'd bet they're both made in Asia. Could be chinese of the Amish faith?
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dixielou
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posted on April 18, 2006 08:43:15 PM new
Obviously the lighting differs in each picture but aside from that, it appears these quilts are identical. Not to forget that these sellers carry at least one other quilt that appear to be identical.
It just burns me when I see a seller go on and on about what great craftsmen the Amish are but then pass off their goods as Amish-made when it appears it's not the case.
I wonder if I purchased one of her "Amish" quilts, I'd find where the made-in-China (or India) tag was torn off.
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sparkz
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posted on April 18, 2006 09:16:54 PM new
I would tend to believe the seller representing the quilt to be authentic Amish. The other seller appears to be running a negatively oriented auction and is hawking her quilt by attempting to cast suspicion on the honesty of her competitors. I may be wrong (and I am more often than not) but it's just a feeling I have.
If Murphy's law is correct, everything East of the San Andreas Fault will slide into the Atlantic
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KarenMx
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posted on April 18, 2006 09:53:52 PM new
As one who has done hand-quilting...that ain't Amish. Modern Amish-style, maybe, but here's far too much work involved in hand-quilting, even a 20" x 20" wall hanging (and it doesn't take 4 Amish quilters to do a hanging that size), to sell it for $24, or even the "regular" price of $45.
Of course, the Chinese Amish work for far less....
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mcjane
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posted on April 18, 2006 10:19:58 PM new
hwahwa:
The difference between an Amish and a Chinese hand made quilt is about 600.00
They may look the same in pictures, but not so when you have one in your hands.
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mcjane
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posted on April 18, 2006 10:34:50 PM new
Take a look at the lighter diamond in the center star. Both are red plaid.
What are the odds of the Chinese & 4 Amish women coming up with the same shade & plaid piece of material.
I am 100% certain they are both Chinese.
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birgittaw
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posted on April 19, 2006 04:51:46 AM new
If you look at the quilting in this link of another one offered by the "Paradise lady"
http://tinyurl.com/oqo9f
you will see the unfinished quilting lines, the coarse stitching -- no question but that these are new and Chinese. I'm with McJane.
Besides, I would think it would be physically impossible for these 4 Amish ladies to churn out the number of quilts offered by this seller, even if they gave every one of them to her to sell. Unless they have a bevy of little Chinese nomes hidden in their barns...
The saddest part is that most of the time, today's buyers really don't care. They will buy most anything that looks good regardless of provenance or artistic merit. If you've ever set up with "real antiques" at a show next to a guy with oil paintings sold for good money by the inch, you'll know exactly what I mean. Sometimes I'm glad I'm getting older -- just a question of what goes first: me or the market for real antiques.
But that's a whole other topic.
B/
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hwahwa
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posted on April 19, 2006 05:39:59 AM new
The seller said she knows 4 Amish ladies,but she did not say this particular quilt was jointly made by them.
Well,buyer beware,how can handmade quilt made in USA be selling for 22 dollars??
The Inuits of Canada make sculptures and prints and they come with a tag which shows they are made by the Inuits,I dont know how big is the market for Amish products,they could do the same.
/ lets all stop whining !! /
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kiara
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posted on April 19, 2006 06:00:50 AM new
After reading the Me page of the Paradise lady I question why she would go into such detail about those 'sad' ebay experiences and share them with her buyers. Reading stuff like that gives me an uneasy feeling about her as a seller.
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bizzycrocheting
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posted on April 19, 2006 06:24:38 AM new
These are both the same exact quilts. Looks like machine stitched. The first one is misrepresenting her item.
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neglus
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posted on April 19, 2006 06:30:57 AM new
I read the "Amish" quilt seller's "Me" page and it sure seems to me that she THINKS she is selling Amish quilts - is it possible that the Amish are importing to sell to her?
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http://stores.ebay.com/Moody-Mommys-Marvelous-Postcards?refid=store
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hwahwa
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posted on April 19, 2006 06:48:49 AM new
Good point,I bot some American Indian jewelry from some one who claims to travel to reservations and pawn shops frequented by American Indians and they look like they are made in Asia.
But does it matter,like Brit said,they dont care,as long as the price is right??
Many would not be able to afford the real thing anyway,so one can only hope,someday they will be in a position to appreicate and afford the real thing!!
/ lets all stop whining !! /
[ edited by hwahwa on Apr 19, 2006 06:50 AM ]
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bizzycrocheting
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posted on April 19, 2006 08:15:25 AM new
That's just it. Those who "think" that they are getting the real thing, only to find out that they wasted their money. Remember ... Ebay advertises the site as being a giant yard sale. People will *think* that they are getting a good deal, only to find out that they are not getting what is advertised. This item is misrepresented.
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hwahwa
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posted on April 19, 2006 08:48:35 AM new
There will always be some bidders who think they are smarter than the seller,the truth is most sellers know how much the item is worth.
/ lets all stop whining !! /
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buyhigh
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posted on April 19, 2006 01:58:01 PM new
In the case of Indian jewelry, some of the sellers even have their own company names stamped on the items and they are clearly made in some Asian country - Thailand, the Phillipines etc so I wonder why Ebay allows them to be put unde the Native American Jewelry category wheree there is mention when submitting the listing that they have to be Native American Made to be put in that category. I can see some occasional seller making the mistake of thinking their item is genuine but not the seller who has dozens of similar items listed week after week.
buyhigh
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hwahwa
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posted on April 19, 2006 02:42:13 PM new
I used to keep track of a seller who claimed to have taken over an estate of 60,000 pieces of American Indian jewelry!! and 99.9% of these pieces are made yesterday.
/ lets all stop whining !! /
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buyhigh
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posted on April 19, 2006 02:52:36 PM new
And since Ebay apparently turns a blind eye to this sort of practice, wonder why the power sellers of genuine stuff do not continually send reports of listing infractions.
buyhigh
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dixielou
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posted on April 19, 2006 03:04:52 PM new
The seller says the quilt was "Made by hand by four Amish women". Unbelievable that it would take FOUR Amish women to make a 20" x 20" quilt. And if they did, they would certainly charge far more than what she's selling it for.
She's capitalizing on the fact that she lives in PA and by throwing in Amish tidbits in her description, she wants you to think her quilts are Amish-made.
Her auction reeks of deception.
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KarenMx
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posted on April 19, 2006 07:53:24 PM new
Yes hwahwa, the seller knows exactly what her quilt is worth...$24. An Amish-made wall hanging of that size and design (which isn't typically Amish--the pattern is but choice of fabric definitely is not) might sell for $240. What she's selling wasn't made by one Amish quilter, much less 4, and she knows it.
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pandorasbox
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posted on April 20, 2006 10:09:09 AM new
Hi;
There is a large supplier / wholesaler of Western knick-knacks that has the majority of his items manufactured in India, including Navajo blankets.
Some of his largest customers are Navajo vendors on the reservation who, in turn, sell these genuine "Indian" blankets to tourists.
Now, if there was a way for the Amish to outsource the production of their blankets using a Navajo broker, who would then have the Amish Blankets manufactured in India...well then, we'd have a perfect trifecta.
Best,
Michael
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Everything eBay...and More. E-Auction-Air
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buyhigh
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posted on April 20, 2006 11:17:59 AM new
This is nothing new. It has been going on for years. The Venders used to buy the Navajo copies that came from Oaxaca Mexico. Ofcourse since they use a horizonal loom in Mexico instead of an upright loom, the discerning buyer could detect something was not quite correct. Also the wool felt very different. Believe I came across some "Navajo" rugs listed on Ebay by a new seller that may be the ones you are talking about. However the seller was careful to list them under Native American 1940 -NON Navajo. and to mention in the description - non indian made. 90%wool 10% polyester. Good clue also
buyhigh
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drdoowopp
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posted on April 20, 2006 03:48:10 PM new
it is made by the Chamish sect who live in China and make quilts and Louis Vuitton Handbags
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mcjane
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posted on April 20, 2006 08:00:00 PM new
I live in PA, about 30 miles from Lancaster where many Amish families live. I live very close to Booth's Corner a farmers market which has 90% Amish vendors. They sell their quilts among other things & Karenmx is right about what that small quilt would sell for. Large ones go for 7, 8 & 9 hundred dollars.
My sister bought an expensive Amish quilt, in Lancaster, many years ago. It was beautiful in different shades of blue on white. When she washed it some of the blue faded badly. The Amish family she purchased it from refused to make good on it or even discuss it with her.
They are not known to be the nicest people to deal with.
I would never pay their price for a quilt.
I am happy with my 50.00 Chinese quilts & none of them faded.....ever.
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tOMWiii
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posted on April 21, 2006 12:19:56 AM new
but...but...
they make great egg noodles...
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mitzee
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posted on April 21, 2006 06:43:02 AM new
I managed a quilt shop in a resort town for several years. During my tenure, I became quite familiar with quilts, quilting techniques and fabrics. Although I do not consider myself an expert, I do consider myself knoweldgeable and familiar. I also was a resident in western PA for several years and became familiar with the Amish towns in the area.
In my opinion, these are NOT Amish quilts. As a matter of fact, I recognize the fabrics as belonging to a quilt manufacturer, Patch Magic. Patch Magic has the quilts mass produced in INDIA and not in PA. The quality of the quilts are quite good with high stitch count, cotton batting and superb fabrics. The design is usually one exhibiting complexities and skill.
Some time a go, I contacted a seller (not sure if it was the same one) that was selling on ebay "Amish Quilts". I sent her photos of my quilt store exhibiting the same exact quilts at half the price - the quilts were Patch Magic quilts as well. The seller insisted she personally purchased the quilts from the Amish and I recall her telling me she knew the "four Amish ladies" that worked on the quilt.
I knew for a FACT the quilts were not Amish. Either the Seller was purposely creating a fraud (I doubt that) or the "Amish ladies" were creating a fraud (my guess that this is the case). Patch Magic quilts come with a sewn on label in the corner of the quilt. This label can easily be removed and a person can represent the quilt as their own. I have seen where one purchases a larger quilt and cuts it apart to make small wall hangings, too.
I believe that this is the case. I also believe that there is NO WAY these are Amish quilts as the fabrics are identical to those used by Patch Magic - the patterns are identical as those used by Patch Magic - and I have personally sold the flying geese pattern before - and YES it was handmade in INDIA. A king size quilt wholesale price was about $88 - Queen $64 - Twin $54 and a Throw was purchased wholesale for $42. Wall hanging (20 x20 size) were purchased for approx $19.
Soooo, in my opinion, these are NOT Amish quilts. I believe the Seller believes they are Amish - but in fact, she has been mislead and quilts misrepresented. I am convinced these are Patch Magic quilts.
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glassgrl
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posted on April 21, 2006 08:03:46 AM new
well let's look at it this way.
the amish women bought the quilts from patch magic.
the ebay seller bought the quilts from the amish. escargo - they "are" amish quilts.
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