posted on March 13, 2005 12:46:10 PM new
TONI - You might want to reread this thread. You got really defensive and lost your sense of humor real quick. Once you adapt the posting style of a petulant 15 year old, people start responding to you like one.
Classic - Conjunction Junction... Buy it! Watch it! Use it damn it
And BTW - How in the world did you let this comment go by uncommented upon: honey catches more flies than vinegar?
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fenix03
You and most in here seem to overlook the fact that I tried working with the buyer when he didn't want to use paypal . AS STATED IN MY AUCTION BY THE WAY.............I was polite to him and even gave him another option in making payment, plus I even explained the reason why I can only except paypal or cash.
And he emailed me saying he would send the payment.............then the next morning I wake up to a NEG, saying :
Only takes Pay Pal and wont work with you... Also a smart ass...
Now I loose it Yes, and if you had this happen to you don't lie to me and say you wouldn't loose it also.
You and most all others in here like to talk but not about the facts that stated this whole dam problem............It all started when the ......BUYER DID NOT READ THE AUCTION TERMS AND DECIDES HE WILL REWRITE MY AUCTION TERMS HOW HE LIKES..............
I'm not looking to be told I'm Right or I'm wrong >>>>>>>>I was looking for guidance on how to file against him ..........or maybe you never read that part of the thread????
My Original question was:
Question is ...I need to know how to file with ebay that the buyer did not follow auction terms.............can someone tell me how to do that............
NOT ONE OF YOU even ans. my original question, but you sure did pick on my problem and spelling and my temper, and my attitude, and even called me an Idiot.......
Well, hope you all had your fun, guess this will hold you till the next sucker comes in here asking for help. Then you could start the same bull crap all over again with the smart ass remarks and picking on someone who is asking for help,.......ohhhhhh don't forget to step on them when they fall, because that's the way people like you do things. (I say You people, and I don't mean all of you, the You people know who the they are.
posted on March 13, 2005 02:39:47 PM new
Tonimar--I've been lurking here, off and on, reading the various comments. It's true you simply asked for help on the feedback problem, but, since you posted everything the buyer and you wrote to each other, sometimes the folks here want to help with advice that wasn't asked for.
I think they had valid comments to make about your using all caps. It truly did make your reply to the buyer at that point sound like shouting and probably escalated things even more.
Their comments about your spelling may or may not have been appropriate--but you do need some help with your spelling. With only the written word to judge someone by, misspellings jump out at people who do spell well. And, sad but true, we are all judged in that way. A buyer may feel he can play fast and loose with you as a seller because he thinks, erroneously, that you're not educated or a good thinker. WE know it's not true, but how can a buyer know that?
posted on March 13, 2005 02:52:59 PM new
Toni - was that supposed to make me feel that I was wrong in believing that you became really defensive really fast or that you had not lost your humor?
Now - lets address you points
::Now I loose it Yes, and if you had this happen to you don't lie to me and say you wouldn't loose it also.::
Don't assume I am the same as you. I don't lose it when I get a neg. I either take it or I leave one in response, wait a week for everyone to calm down and send a Mutual Retraction Form. The only thing you accomplished by going off was insuring that neg you seem to hate so much is going to be there for the long haul. Somehow I don't think that was your goal.
::I'm not looking to be told I'm Right or I'm wrong >>>>>>>>I was looking for guidance on how to file against him ..........or maybe you never read that part of the thread????::
AM I A SMART ASS?????????????? PLEASE HELP ME TO SEE WHAT I DID SO WRONG HERE.
Don't ask questions you don't want responses to.
::NOT ONE OF YOU even ans. my original question,::
Let me take this opportunity to... you can't. You can scold them in feedback or if they do not pay you can file then but you don't get to report them to ebay on general principal.
::but you sure did pick on my problem and spelling and my temper, and my attitude, and even called me an Idiot.......::
Well... you opened the door with the title of the thread. If you don't like the word you should not use it.
As for the rest of your little diatribe... like I said, when you portray yourself as an unsavy, petulent immature child, you get treated like one.
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[ edited by fenix03 on Mar 13, 2005 02:55 PM ]
posted on March 13, 2005 03:05:05 PM new
ok, I'm still waiting for someone to answer my original question. Your still not answering the question that was posted.
posted on March 13, 2005 03:19:04 PM newQuestion is ...I need to know how to file with ebay that the buyer did not follow auction terms.............can someone tell me how to do that............
File NPB. One of the options is buyer did not follow terms of the auction. By doing that, you can immediately file for your final value fees.
Sorry it took so long to hep you.
posted on March 13, 2005 03:28:23 PM new
Toni - maybe you need to work on your reading skills as well.
From post above....
::NOT ONE OF YOU even ans. my original question,::
Let me take this opportunity to... you can't. You can scold them in feedback or if they do not pay you can file then but you don't get to report them to ebay on general principal.
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On your My eBay page on the left is the link to Report an Unpaid Item. After you put in the item number your first choice will be:
Why are you reporting this Unpaid Item dispute?
Choose - The buyer has not paid for the item.
Your second choice will be:
What has happened so far in the dispute?
Choose - The buyer wants a payment method that I do not accept.
Don't be too upset about the answers you get here. Some can't read any better than they say you can spell.
As for Fenix, let it go in one ear and out the other. She knows everything there is to know about everything. She is never wrong. She has the answer to every problem - it's your own fault. She sells a million dollars a year, runs several different businesses, never has problems with her customers, eBay or PayPal, and still has time to hang out in a chat room giving other people grief. She has the world by the balls and her only complaint in life is the stupidity of every one else she has ever come across. All of us pitiful beings who are not as blessed should just be thankful we have a pot to pee in. Just between you and me, I don't think she does. People who brag that much usually don't.
If I didn't answer your question, let me know, I will try again.
" Never mind looking for the light at the end of the tunnel. Run down the tunnel, and light the bloody thing yourself"!!
posted on March 13, 2005 03:44:04 PM new
fenix03 Please stop trying to help me ok,
Max answered my question,
and Gtootie gave me good advice, thanks Gtootie.
To ans your question to
Why are you reporting this Unpaid Item dispute?
"........it's because he left me neg feedback the day after the auction ended and called me an ass ......so when I called Ebay they said to me ""what he did is not right, I should file a report against him"
I accept PayPal payments with Confirmed Addresses only, and do get some NPBs who cannot follow my terms clearly stated on the listing page. I called PS Support, and they recommended that when this happens to also file for "Unwelcomed Bidder".
No comment on the remainder of the issues
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posted on March 13, 2005 04:13:22 PM new
::As for Fenix, let it go in one ear and out the other. She knows everything there is to know about everything.::
Not everything - just a little something about everything
::She is never wrong.::
I am occasionally wrong... coincidentally it usually ends up being a on Tuesday.
::She has the answer to every problem - it's your own fault.::
No - only about half the time. 25% of the time it is the fault of the bidder and the other 25% there never actually was a problem, you just thought there was.
::She sells a million dollars a year.::
That was my old company - it was someone elses. My company should be there in a couple more years.
::Runs several different businesses::
I used to run three, one I killed because my customers annoyed me. One I killed because the supplier annoyed me. Now I just run one. Life is much simpler and I have so much more time on my hands to come here to entertain and educate you.
::never has problems with her customers, eBay or PayPal::
Customers yes, Ebay and PayPal no. Is there something wrong with that? What type of problems would you suggest that I have with them?
::and still has time to hang out in a chat room giving other people grief.::
See what happens when you have a well organized business and use a listing program that is not buggy as hell? You get to make money AND play. I'll be happy to help you learn to do the same anytime.
::She has the world by the balls and her only complaint in life is the stupidity of every one else she has ever come across.::
Not everyone. There are at least half a dozen that I have met that amuse me.
::People who brag that much usually don't.::
The only time I ever mention the positives I have is when I use them as an example to help others (as in the thread last weekend about helping others to increase store sales) or when someone asks for alternatives and I give examples of how they have been beneficial in my case.
If you would rather me not share things that I have learned with others for absolutely no reason other than to help what are in reality complete strangers possibly increase their income then by all means, please ignore me. Silly me had the priviledge of working under a brilliant mind for years that was generous with his knowledge and being grateful thought I would be the same when I could.
It's a shame that you see that as a negative. I wonder what that says....
If you don't like me, there is a very simple solution... just ignore me.
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posted on March 13, 2005 04:17:35 PM new
LOL, you go, Gtootie!!! But you left out this pearl of wisdom from fenix to an entire board of self-employed people: ..."having your own business is not a right..."
Toni, I understand your flying off the handle. It happens in feedback everyday. A simple misunderstanding, I think is what ebay warns against. The guy was clearly a j/azz and misunderstood your intension's. First, by not reading the auction terms & having no way to paypal but deciding to bid anyway, and then by posting the neg "first" when he miscomprehended your email to him.
Oh Sure, you can be the consummate professional 24/7, and I'll tell you that you are highly replaceable by a friggginn bot (coming to a computer near you soon) and therefore entirely unnecessary to the whole ebay experience of trading with different people. Work on your spelling for yourself, if you want to. But the hell with what any of the people post on this board. They dont pay your fees, or your inventory cost, or the time you spend on ebay, or anything you are doing for yourself.
edited to add: Toni, I am unsure if this is still the case...but last I knew, when you do the remove feedback thing, they only remove the negative from your score and not the actual comment itself. That may have changed, I dont know.
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[ edited by dblfugger9 on Mar 13, 2005 04:26 PM ]
posted on March 13, 2005 04:18:24 PM new
WGM - don't those apply more to people who are attempting auction interference? It does not seem that this bidders had a primary intent of disrupting. Seems like they didn't read the terms.
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posted on March 13, 2005 04:24:59 PM new
Dbl - since you seem to take such umbrage with that statement - mind telling me why you feel that the world DOES owe success?
To clarify what I meant when I said that - you don't get success in a home business just because you want it. It takes constant work, time, research, etc. Are you saying that I am wrong?
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[ edited by fenix03 on Mar 13, 2005 04:26 PM ]
posted on March 13, 2005 04:30:54 PM new
fenix,, you said having your own business is not a right.
Anybody has the "right" to open, run, have, their own business. What they do with it, or how successful they are at it, has nothing to do with "a right" to it.
You may not have "meant" that, but those were your exact words and it sure comes across quite pointedly in your holer than thou attitude of I know everything there is to know about business and anything else.
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posted on March 13, 2005 04:33:49 PM new
Hi Diane! I am catching up on everything now, emails included - so you will hear from me soon!
fenix - I thought the same thing until I spoke to PS support. The rep pointed out the three criteria for Unwelcomed Bidders which is bolded on the page. The third is "Failure to meet a seller's terms". I read it, but wanted clarification - so that's why I called support. She confirmed that yes, indeed, if a buyer fails to comply with a seller's terms set forth on the auction page, they are an "Unwelcomed Bidder".
Unfortunately there is no "three strike" system with this, but the buyers do receive "educational" warnings from eBay, which includes re-stating some of the rules for bidding. The warnings are kept on file and action is taken if the pattern is repeated.
Here is a copy-and-paste of an email from eBay concerning this....
"Thank you for taking the time to write to eBay's SafeHarbor department.
Unwelcome bidding is a serious offense and we will investigate your
report as soon as possible, usually within 24 hours.
Unwelcome bidding occurs when a bidder violates the terms of your
listing as stated in the listing description or re-bids after you have
canceled the initial bid. We will investigate the information you
provided and review our internal records to compare them to bidding
patterns and any other activity involving the reported account.
If we find evidence of unwelcome bidding, our actions may range from
issuing an educational alert, a temporary suspension, or in some cases,
an indefinite suspension. The type of action taken depends on the
specific situation surrounding the individual account. Things such as
the existence of a previous warning, the nature of the offense and the
length of time as a community member will be taken into consideration.
Repeated violations of policies will often result in the suspension of a
member's account."
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posted on March 13, 2005 04:38:19 PM new
Beats me, Ralphie, but ~
"Cant we all just get along?"
Ralphie has composed a warm-N-fuzzy "feel-good" liddle ditty, to bring us ALL TOGETHER:
"I'd like to teach the World to snort In frat-boy harmony... I'd like to teach the World to sniff Proped-up in a latrine. I'd like to teach the World to chug, My old friend Mr. Beam, And eating pills with Poppa Rush, Iraq is just a DREAM! It's the R-E-A-L THING..."
Ah! As Lenny Bruce said: "TOGETHERNESS"
"There may be some tough times here in America. But this country has gone through tough times before, and we're going to do it again." ~ George W Bush
posted on March 13, 2005 04:43:31 PM new
Dbl - you are right. I think everyone has the right to try. Hell - my whole business plan for the next five years is based around trying to help those that want to. You have been in that southern folder, certainly you have heard me say more than once that people have to start thinking outside the box to succeed in this world.
My problem is just when people think that the world is supposed to bend over to provide them with success. And that is what I was referring to when I said that it was not a right.
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posted on March 13, 2005 04:50:23 PM new
fenix, you know alot. I'd probably put my money on you before I would a Harvard Business Graduate...if,, I was the betting type ...but as you said to Toni, you cant assume everyone is like you. If you can bankroll your knowledge - I think that is a great thing. Just dont use it to hurt people who arent where you are or have
your propensity for shuffling data in their brains.
And yes, everything takes work to answer your question. But I kinda of think you have to expect something of the world in order to receive something from it, too.
posted on March 13, 2005 05:01:24 PM new
Dbl - I admit it - Sometimes things seem so obvious that it frustrates the hell out of me when someone is completely oblivious to it. Why do you think I have been using the same tag line for two years.
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