posted on December 20, 2000 01:28:05 AM new
He sure wasn't a Conservative, I can tell you!
Did Jesus ever say, "I sick of Healing these deadbeats! From now on, I'm going to charge for it!"
Instead Jesus, the Most Powerful Person Ever chose to help those less fortunate in society, to give words of hope to those who had none, to offer a sane way to live with one another. He did NOT sneer at people who believe in Hope nor at those who believe that one should help out those less fortunate than themselves.
You know, last year when the Southern Baptists held their yearly convention, the new people in the top power circle have come from that Fundamentalist ilk. They made that change that women could not be priests and such because it drew attention away from the most important fundamental change in the entire church's history: the dogma was altered to a Fundamentalist point of view.
The Southern Baptist Church was founded on the principle that if Jesus said that the right thing to do lay one way and somewhere else in the bible it said to do it a different way, with whom did you go with? Did you follow Jesus or did you go with something reputed to be directly from God? It had always been the standard dogma that you went with what Jesus said in those situations.
Now the change has come and the church is no longer what it was. Those fundamentalists reversed that dogma so that if there was ever a conflict ( and they do arise often), then church members are instructed to ignore what Jesus taught! How can you be called a Christian if you ignore the words and teachings of Jesus??
Realize, this same church told its parishioners to vote Republican in this last election . . . and those folks no longer follow Jesus.
So, the next time that someone on a message board calls you a Bleeding Heart Liberal just because you Care instead of Sneer at the unfortunate, realize that you are in good company! These so-called conservatives can keep their precious criminals like Nixon, Ronald Reagan, and the Bushes -- Liberals get to have Jesus!
Republicans are NOT Christians: Christianity and Conservatism in its current Fascist form are mutually exclusive and cancel one another out.
posted on December 20, 2000 01:46:55 AM new
Wow! I usually vote for the Democrats but even I think that's a pretty broad and unfair condemnation of Republicans.
Could be that some of those Southern Baptists have enough sense to think for themselves, ya reckon?
I always thought God and/or Jesus got to decide who was and wasn't a Christian.
posted on December 20, 2000 05:29:12 AM new
Borillar, this can't be good for you, and, even if it is, it doesn't do a dern thing for me. Go lie down or something.
posted on December 20, 2000 08:47:08 AM new
Borillar, Christ also said "Go and sin no more" which is obvious proof that he could NOT have been a Democrat. Maybe he (He) was a "compassionate conservative"!
posted on December 20, 2000 08:56:49 AM new
Borillar: I've been telling friends for a couple of years that if Jesus walked this earth now, and lived in the U.S., he would indeed be a democrat. I think you are right!
posted on December 20, 2000 09:07:04 AM newBorillar - That's pushing the envelope a little far wouldn't you say. A Bush Presidency can't be that bad. Besides the Nazarene as you know spoke of hope. Try having little hope coupled with old fashioned faith that the Supreme Diety will get you and yours through these what appear to be IYHO trying times.
jada - You decide if you want to be a Christian. The Supreme Diety gave you the gift of freewill to choose for yourself and hopes you will be responsible enough to accept the consequences of your choice.
sgtmike - The Nazarene was neither conservative or liberal. There are places in his teachings that clearly show both. There are events from his actions that clearly show both.
1. Raising Lazarus from the dead clearly liberal deed. Done to show it could be done before he raised himself.
2. Chasing the money changers from the Temple. Clearly conservative no need in the church becoming the local one stop.
krs - That really doesn't offer anything to Borillar who obviously is seeking to be very cutting edge today. Or is very very upset at something today. I hope it is trying to be cutting edge.
posted on December 20, 2000 09:22:06 AM new
Networker,
krs-That really doesn't offer anything to Borillar who obviously is seeking to be very cutting edge today. Or is very very upset at something today. I hope it is trying to be cutting edge.
Nonsense, and who needs your lecture?
Since you mention Lazarus though, and since a
question revolves around him, I'll ask you, all knowing one, if Jesus did bring Lazarus back to life why is there no record of anyone ever asking Lazarus what it had been like to die, and to be dead? I mean, why didn't anyone ever ask "Hey Lazarus, man, where have you been AT?" It seems like his answer would have either supported or denied the promise of hereafter that is central to all Christian belief.
posted on December 20, 2000 09:47:39 AM new
Borillar- I am the worst to answer this, but Christ hung out with thiefs, liars, prostitutes, murderers, and the like. But then he did 'minister' to them, his Word.
In return they asked for salvation or redemption, and he gave that to them, he also asked they go and sin no more.
krs, Christians, I believe, look to the book of Revalations for what will happen in the future, not Nostradomus.
And I didn't type that as a religious post, just trying to answer the first post.
posted on December 20, 2000 10:19:28 AM new
Nostradamus had this to say on "Century 1"
From the enslaved populace, songs, chants and demands,
while Princes and Lords are held captive in prisons.
These will in the future by headless idiots
be received as divine prayers.
I can't find any reference to the "village idiot" quote on the Net, and I've combed the 1555 Almanac. Does anyone have any idea where it can be found?
posted on December 20, 2000 10:49:50 AM new
Church politics seem like a big distraction from the real thing. I find this passage pretty clear and unequivocal:
"When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
and before him shall be gathered all nations:
and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats, and he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
Then the King will say to those on his right hand, Come, blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
for I was hungry and you gave me food,
I was thirsty, and you gave me drink
I was a stranger, and you took me in
naked, and you clothed me
I was sick, and you took care of me
I was in prison, and you visited me.
Then the just will answer him, saying, Lord, when did we see you hungry and fed you? or thirsty, and gave you drink? When did we see you a stranger, and took you in? or naked, and clothed you? Or when did we see you sick, or in prison, and visited you?
And the King will answer and say to them, Truly I tell you, In so far as you have done it to one of the least of these my brethren, you have done it to me.
Then he will say also to those on the left hand, Depart from me, accursed ones, into everlasting fire, prepared for the Devil and his angels:
for I was hungry, and you gave me no food;
I was thirsty, and you gave me no drink;
I was a stranger, and you did not take me in;
naked, and you did not clothe me;
sick, and in prison, and you did not visit me.
Then they too will answer him, saying, Lord, when did we see you hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister to you?
Then he will answer them, saying, Truly I tell you, in so far as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me."
Matthew 25:31-46 (likely with some mistakes)
- Pareau
P.S.
"Choose you this day whom ye will serve"
Joshua 24
posted on December 20, 2000 10:50:26 AM new
I thought the only referance to the new world,Was the New City(New York) will sink in the ocean.
And I thought Lazarus was angry for having come back to life,He had been in Paradise(pre Mansions in heaven)Maybe I got that part mixed up.
I would really like to see the village idolt thing in writeing by Nostradamus.I would send it to some relatives and friends.I told them all they couldnt afford to be republican.
posted on December 20, 2000 11:01:15 AM new
I don't expect to see Jesus come IN THE FLESH again but if he would the churchs are ready for him. Most of them have a big cross ready to nail him up again. I don't think they would take as long as the Jews did to do it the second time.
Jesus did respect property rights. In the parable of the workers in the vinyard the workers were upset he paid the workers who came in later in the day the same as those who "bore the heat of the day" He replied he was free to do with his own things as he pleased. They had not regulated his wage paying yet!
posted on December 20, 2000 11:02:56 AM new
krs - probably would be a tough question for someone just participating for the sake of having something to do with idle hours each day. But alas my friend such is not the case with networker67.
Before addressing Lazarus, ask yourself this why is there no record of Christ from 6 months old to approximately 12. IMHO its because that would have only been extra filler with no real content unless you use creative license to juice it up a bit. Sort of like what hollywood does when they turn great books or events to movies. Example the recent movie Titanic. Juice up the filler with creative license and you get the alltime box office hit. Minus the creative license you wind up with a remake of "A Night To Remember".
Now with that said back to Lazarus, now place yourself if you can back to the time of Christ. Do try to remember that most of the World still didn't beleive he was doing anything of significance. And try to also remember that the body that symbolized the word of God and The Law of Moses, aka The Pharisees felt very threatened. Now draw to the fact that Lazarus before dying was shall we say a nobody. So you expect him to all of sudden become somebody because he was the recipent of a miracle. He was raised to show that the Flesh like the spirit can rise again. He served his purpose and set the stage for the Resurrection of Christ.
Besides since the bible tells the story of Lazarus in St. John 11, and gives some follow up in St. John 12, you will notice in the follow-up particularly John 12:9, that the people came to see Lazarus and hear jesus. Do try to remember that before Christ the concept of the Spirit seperate from the flesh was a concept associated with life after death concepts of people like the Egyptians and the such. Notice also how shortly after Christ himself was crucified. His resurrection to Christians form the new covenant between man and God. If you read more in John 12, you will notice that the Pharisees also wanted to kill Lazurus again too.
Now for summary and conclusion. The Flesh and Spirit coexist during life with the wants and desies of the Flesh serving dominant. The spirit is capable of beholding great things that would otherwise be too much for the Flesh to handle. In short when Lazarus returned to his Flesh. The wonders beheld by his spirit over four days were lost because the Flesh is not capble of understanding them. SO LAZARUS COULDN'T Speak of that time because his flesh did not know of it. As such he returned to himself in the flesh. With the secrets of the spirit contained within the spirit. Besides why would God want the secret out. Takes away that fundamental concept of faith wouldn't it.
