posted on December 15, 2000 09:23:06 PM new
Remember how corrupt Ronald Reagan's administration was? Over 101 felony convictions and many were sent directly from the White House to Leavenworth. And all because R.R. had Alzheimer's and was not at the helm.
Now take George, Jr. He's the kinda guy that would rather be out drinking beer with his buddies on Friday night and shooting pool on Saturday night and showing up at church on Sunday weaving a bit and moaning in pain. Anyone during the campaign could see that he is unfit to be President. He has never had to see past his own back yard, knows little to no world geography, has little grasp of the issues, and worst of all - the GOP knows this.
George Sr. on the other hand was FURIOUS when he was "de-throned" in 1992. How DARE they unseat his dynasty!? Poor George Jr. was such a classic case of a son turning out to be exactly not like his father wanted him to be. George Jr. is only slightly smarter than Dan Quayle in that he keeps his mouth shut until he carefully repeats the lines that they give him to speak. Unlike R.R.'s Hollywood experience as an actor repeating lines, George Jr. doesn't even cut bait with repeating his lines.
Well, now that they are back into the White House, now they'll begin to flaunt the laws and we'll start to see the staff felony conviction rate soar even higher than when Ronny was nominally in charge. And by the time the American people start to riot in the streets to get rid of the corruption, four long years will have passed with so much damning legislation that it will take decades to unravel the damage done to our fragile democracy.
One last thing though. I have a feeling that though George Jr. may be woefully undereducated and has too many burnt-out brain cells, but it looks as if he may have just a bit of backbone protruding after all. He really does believe in that "Compassionate Conservatism" malarkey they conjured up for the election. I wonder if its all for show, but it is nice to see that he's trying to be his own man and stand up against the ultra-fascists in the GOP. I'll have to wait and see if he really is a man of the people.
posted on December 16, 2000 04:58:12 AM newBorillar: He may believe in compassionate conservatism, but he sure didn't fix the colonias in South Texas. The colonias are cheap subdivisions that were built by scamming scumbag developers who took the money and ran - leaving people to live without running water, sewers or septic systems. The third world, right in Bush's front yard.
posted on December 16, 2000 10:21:06 AM new
The criminals in this country now have Carte' Blanche -- so long as it is done in the guise of business. Look at California and their "Energy Shortage" that is jacking up prices sky-high for consumers: it is reported today that the utility companies are keeping generators off-line so as to drive up the prices. So much for less-government and more 'privatization'.
But they wouldn't do this if Gore had won. In the end, they would have been made to pay. Now the Utilities know that Bush and the entire weight of the GOP is right behind them and with the court system as well.
Just wait until we get 4 or 5 more arch-conservatives on the Supreme Court . . . it'll be WINNER-TAKE-ALL!
posted on December 16, 2000 10:49:06 AM new
Yep. They're going to loot social security, drain off the surpluses and increase the national debt tenfold.
They'll line the pockets of defence contractors everywhere, particularly in Texas.
posted on December 16, 2000 11:36:00 AM new
Ole GW will be needing a lot of knee pads and chap stick to pay back his debt to the criminals that hepled him steal the election.
posted on December 16, 2000 11:58:40 AM new
And we are contrasting this to what? The squeaky clean Clinton-Gore administration? The hyprocisy in some of these threads is so absurd it's becoming laughable.
posted on December 16, 2000 03:34:15 PM neweyeguy6 said: "The hyprocisy in some of these threads is so absurd it's becoming laughable."
You're absolutely right, eyeguy6! And since you have the facts, please list the Top Ten comparisons for us instead of just being shocked and amazed:
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I read other posts in this forum where the Repulicans are complaining here that they get bashed a lot. Yet, it has been my experience over many years on many message boards on the Internet that Republicans don't have any facts: they always repeat the unproveable nonsense and far-fetched notions that the GOP Blitz-media puts out. Republicans simply do not have a leg to stand on and so they repeat the utter nonsense that only a Christian Fundamentalist has the ability to do.
posted on December 16, 2000 03:59:00 PM newHe has never had to see past his own back yard, knows little to no world geography...
borillar, I saw some of the news coverage of Clinton in England meeting with the queen. During a photo op, one of the reporters asked him if he knew GW had never been to England and if he thought Dubya might not be as supportive of England as the US has traditionally been.
Clinton's look was priceless; he was very nearly speechless to think that shrub had never visited there. He mumbled something about how he couldn't imagine that any US Pres. *wouldn't* be supportive of England.
Your phrase "weaving a bit and moaning in pain" is poignant. It brought instant images of my alcoholic father to mind. Other of shrub's traits remind me of him, including the red-splotched face, a dead giveaway of alcoholism.
This guy isn't up to this, IMO. He's going to have to be extraordinarily strong to stay clean in the pressure-cooker life he's going to be leading the next 4 years.
posted on December 16, 2000 04:16:05 PM new
I will not fight to express my views anymore, now that the election went...hmmm ... the other way. However, watching a PBS Program last night of Channel 32, North Cal, (a Debate show, between pro and anti Death Penalty groups), I learned that during Mr. Bush's governorship, several (sorry, cannot remember the number ) prisonners were executed, only to be found NOT GUILTY after their death. That was rather disturbing. I will not say if I am pro or anti..That is not the point...The point is that he did not seem to be terribly interested in finding out the truth, even though, as per Prosecuting and Defense Attys on that program, there was a lot of lack of evidence concerning several of the cases.
posted on December 16, 2000 04:29:41 PM new
eyeguy6 - Is the only thing Republicans can ever say is the look at the Lewinsky Scandal. If I recall that 50 million dollar waste of resources, Thank heavens we have a surplus help fund it. Started out as an investigation into a land deal. Couldn't find any dirt involving the President there, so it was expanded into a White House Travel Office scandal. Gee guess what no dirt linked to the President there. It went into a looking at personal background information furnished by the FBI probe. Guess what no dirt there.
At the 49 million mark, it turned into a sex scandal. Well guess what we already had a sex scandal involving the man with that Paula Jones chick so that wasn't anything new. Well you guys wasted the last million publically talking about blowjobs and semen stains on a bluedress. And the bottom line since Monica didn't get anything of financial value from the sex it was just that sex. So you can parade that morals and integrity all you want. But I say any man if asked the same question In Front of His Wife will give the exact same answer. In fact if he would have said anything other than what he did to the question under those circumstances no one in America would have supported him. Why because a man is supposed to protect his family even from his own transgressions. So the truth as you Republicans like to parade around was harmful to them. I expect him to protect them and their feelings.
In case you didn't know this that's why he enjoyed some of the highest approval ratings of any President during that scandal. Because after 6 years of allegations of fraud, abuse of power, and the rest. All you came up with was a blowjob and blue dress. I want a refund of 45 million dollars from the republican national committee. Then you had the nerve to include those allegations of fraud and abuse of power in that waste of the taxpayers dollars impeachment. So I say the true hypocrisy is with the Republican Party.
posted on December 16, 2000 04:32:21 PM new
I watch the BBC News on the Howard University station here. The night Bush declared himself king, the BBC
showed the footage of Bush playing the "Who is the leader of...." interview game and falling flat on his face. How sad that we have such a lousy political gene pool that we have to accept anything that comes along. JMHO, of course! This is what we get for not having open political representation....
I believe it was night before last that the Washington DC police chief was interviewed during a DC newscast. They seem to be getting ready for all hell to break loose during the crowning ceremonies in January. The Chief said they would call in county police from Maryland and Virginia because there may be rioting in the streets. What a surprise!
posted on December 16, 2000 04:43:39 PM new
Sorry, I don't claim to have all of the facts. I realize that I could level the playing field and just make up the "facts" as I go along but no thanks.
KRS - Concerning the Clinton fiasco, If I read correctly you're basically saying that the legal process took it's course and Clinton triumphed so I should accept it. Hmmmm, what a concept!
posted on December 16, 2000 04:46:53 PM new
Borillar and others....
For one that has overcome dyslexia, and went on to graduate from Harvard, I do not believe the man is 'under educated'.
Also to fly F-104's is quite an accomplishment having had the dyslexic problem.
As for his 'alcohol problem' he seems to have dealt effectively with this personal demon. I can't think anyone can truthfully say that they saw any evidence of it during the campaign or afterwards. Having dealt with it and rising to the position he's in, is truley a beacon and inspiration, to those with similar problem.
As for any drinking and drugging now, both campaigns and federal agents rigorously screen candidates, as they also do same for any appointees to government office.
posted on December 16, 2000 04:51:47 PM new
labrat4gmos-If there is planned riots for the inaguaration, this is truley sad indeed.
No matter who it is. Its also scary to think that the country is that divided on this, and really would resort to rioting.
posted on December 16, 2000 05:03:50 PM newNearTheSea, I believe that my comments concerning George Jr. are being misconstrued. I was trying to say that George is really just an average Joe and is likely a fun guy to be around with -- if his dad wasn't pushing him all the time in a direction that he obviously does not want to go in. George Jr. reminds me of the camel that is being dragged across the ground towards the water to force it to drink. Being a simple, plain-speaking and thinking Joe, Geroge Jr. clearly hates this stuff and would likely rather be anywhere else than in political power.
If George Jr. had still cleaned up his life but not run for office, I would have liked to have met him and probably be good friends with him.
posted on December 16, 2000 05:04:17 PM new
Nearthesea - I don't believe anyone is planning riots on inauguration day. I think the extra security is for something else. Like the extra people that will be on hand to say goodbye to the outgoing President. In fact I think more people will be there to say goodbye to Clinton than will be there to say hello to Bush. I know that's what I am going there for.
And I agree idiots don't graduate from Harvard regardless of family legend. I might not agree with many of the philosophies that come from Harvard. But I will say that idiots don't make the cut. Then again he could have had some great tutors to get him over the hump.
posted on December 16, 2000 05:13:18 PM new
Borillar-I have read that Democrats, Republicans, and Independants alike, that know him, think of him as a very personable and likeable guy.
Yes I've seen many a comment on the teleprompter thing, and the speeches, but it I guess it really bothered me when some people don't realize how hard it is to overcome something like dyslexia , and that dyslexia does not effect someones intelligence.
Networker, I hope what you say is true, that there will have to be some sort of 'crowd control' because of the outgoing President, and not because of any outrages of the incoming one.
posted on December 16, 2000 05:34:14 PM newNearTheSea, you may be surprised that Dyslexia has crippled me all my life. I also am a stutterer. When I hear words, the syllables are often reversed just like dyslexia does for seeing symbols. While I come from poverty and I could never afford a good school like Harvard, I do have a college degree in electronics. I have done amateur stage, was in professional sales for 11 years, I read a lot. You are right that these disabilities do not affect a person's intelligence. But judgement is something totally independent. And it is that something that is the problem we are all about to live with.
George Jr. was a bad boy growing up, hung out with poor people, knows what #*!@ trickling downwards is all about. He drank a lot, did severe drugs, and it's been said for many years from those who know him, he and his buddies used to hang out in gay bars. (no one has ever said that George was gay - just that he liked those kinds of bars).
But George knows better. He sees what is about to happen here in America. He also knows that Dick Cheny and the rest won't even give him the time of day once he is inaugurated and I'm sure that he knows that history will record him as such.
Then recently, he is reported to have his outs with the fascist arm of the GOP. Does George Jr. really have a backbone of his own? He obviously is well aware of right from wrong and can see how America is about to be raped to the hilt (read: you and ME!) Is this just more smokescreen from the GOP, trying to get Independents behind George Jr.? Or does he really have a backbone and will he stand up and do what is right? It wouldn't be the first time in world history that this has happened. Let's just hope that it's not just a puff of smoke from the GOP Blitz Bureau.
posted on December 16, 2000 05:47:36 PM new
Really all I can say is that Dick Cheney was the very best choice he had, as Bush is not a 'D.C. person' and Cheney is.
He could have been 'pushed into' this Presidency, yes. And I think, and believe this: lets see what happens. It could be good, maybe not great, but not disastrous. (I hope)
Got RL now. I don't know how things will turn out, but I JUST HAVE TO SAY ONE THING, OFF THIS TOPIC I LIKED the bandanas on the mantel at his ranch that was shown on T.V.!! LOL!!
edited to add:
I am sorry that you had to go thru dyslexia, I can only imagine how hard it is, but you have proved that you can overcome this obstacle, and that is great!
[ edited by NeartheSea on Dec 16, 2000 05:49 PM ]
posted on December 16, 2000 06:04:02 PM new
In my opinion, George is just a warm body, being used by the Republican
Party and by his daddy. It's frightening...the thought of the body
getting loose or the havoc that the "machine" will cause this country
to suffer.
posted on December 16, 2000 06:07:38 PM new
This is interesting stuff tonight.
I wonder if everyone is ready for MRS. Cheney to hit the scene? Are you aware of the mean-spirited right-wing radio talk show she hosted a while back? Did you notice how she was kept under wraps during the campaign--I think I saw her briefly say a few words one time. She is a meanie and about to be unleashed. The crazies in that party love her.
About Dubya--I watched a show the other night about Dubya and his younger brother Jeb--about their rivalry, about the fact that Dubya loves to rub it in, tease, taunt, challenge his younger brother (who is taller). The show claimed that Jeb tried his best to distance himself during the ballot controversy--on purpose--but that now the people of Flori-duh are so mad at him (fairly? unfairly?) that he may well be the loser in this whole thing--may not win re-election.
The show also said that when Jeb filed to run for gov. of Florida, his brother Dubya just couldn't stand to be upstaged and a few months later filed to run for gov. of Texas. His running took some of the spotlight off Jeb, who had a bit of a harder time winning in Fla. Sibling rivalry is interesting, isn't it!?
posted on December 16, 2000 09:52:34 PM new
Oh geez, roadsmith, you mean Cheney's wife is actually worse than he is???
I was disgusted by his voting record (ultra-conservative; Newt Gingrich has been quoted as saying Cheney is *more* conservative than HE is!). He voted against outlawing undetectable (plastic) guns, cop-killer bullets, Head Start, school lunches, college student aid, and nutrition services for senior citizens.
Nice guy, huh?
BTW, nearthesea, if you like the GW-Southwest look, just knot some red bandanas together and throw them over your highly formal Federal-style mantle. Tres chic!
[ edited by fountainhouse on Dec 16, 2000 10:04 PM ]
eyeguy6 posted on December 16, 2000 04:43:39 PM
"Sorry, I don't claim to have all of the facts. I realize that I could level the playing field and just make up the "facts" as I go along but no thanks. KRS - Concerning the Clinton fiasco, If I read correctly you're basically saying that the legal process took it's course and Clinton triumphed so I should accept it. Hmmmm, what a concept!"
Seems like you not only don't know what you're talking about but you also don't know who you're talking to when you do it.
posted on December 19, 2000 05:48:37 AM new
Did GW really say, yesterday, "If this were a dictatorship, it would be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator"?? Supposed to have. Anyone see it? Does he think that it's funny?
posted on December 19, 2000 06:44:34 AM new
krs: Yes, indeed, he did say that! I saw it three times on TV yesterday. Just kidding, I'm sure??? But it was injudicious of him, and it promises to be an entertaining 4 years.
Sometimes when he's speaking, he reminds me of when my computer is a little behind in showing the words I'm typing--a delayed thing. He frequently pauses for the programmed phrases to pop up in his mind and make the trek to his tongue. I caught two grammatical errors in two sentences recently.
When I taught 8th grade English to high-IQ kids, they would listen to the principal (once a coach--aren't they all?) on the loudspeaker each morning and catalog his various grammar errors. It was pretty funny.
posted on December 19, 2000 06:48:01 AM new
I saw that, too, krs. It sounded familiar, and sure enough it's a sentiment he has repeated more than once.
When describing the job of Texas governor to Governing magazine (7/98), shrub said "You don't get everything you want. A dictatorship would be a lot easier."
Evidently someone at Governing must have laughed at his joke and he figured he had a winner there.
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