posted on January 4, 2006 08:07:25 AM new
I was watching the 11pm news last night, and they showed the miners familys waiting for them in a Church, because they were told that 12 survived and 1 was dead
Then this morning, read netscapes headlines and it said they were all dead, except 1 !!
OMG these families were waiting for them to show up at the church!
This story is both heartbreaking and terrible!
heres one story
posted on January 4, 2006 09:03:40 AM new
It really is horrific NTS. It is beyond comprehension the grief these families must be going through now. My heart goes out to them all.
posted on January 4, 2006 09:43:44 AM new
Ron - No one knows who put the story out but again, it does make a nice inflamatory one liner on your part.
Current theory is that someone in the communications center overheard part of communications betweeen rescuers in the mine that said that 12 miners had been found and got on a cell phone starting a wildfire of misinformation.
It's horrible and heartbreaking but the assignment of blame needs to wait until people know what actually happened. Haven't there arleady been enough irresponsible statements made?
Hey Dbl - do you live in WV? Not sure why but I got that impression. If so, is your governor the incredibly "human" and rational individual that he has come across as over the past couple days all the time? Seems like he might be an interesting leader.
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posted on January 4, 2006 10:02:44 AM new
I agree, what a terrible thing for anyone to have to live through. Can't imagine what the pain felt like after being told they were alive...then to have to face the reality being so different.
posted on January 4, 2006 12:32:38 PM new
Sure fenix whatever you say. Are you an expert in mine officials now also? You were in the church? You listened to every source reporting the incidents?
You should stick to supporting black racists, something you seem at least good at.
Ron
"Better to be hated for who you are than loved for who you are not."
posted on January 4, 2006 05:13:01 PM new
On the news this evening, I heard the mine owner saying that he'd asked the police to relay the info that things weren't so rosey but that they dropped the ball. The man said he probably (duh) should have gone to the church himself to deliver the news.
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posted on January 4, 2006 05:21:55 PM new
Ron - go back to the bridge.
You don't need to agree with me, you have mine officals, the media and the govenor of West Virginia that all state that no word was put out from mine officials. Or do you think they are all lying too?
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[ edited by fenix03 on Jan 4, 2006 05:22 PM ]
posted on January 4, 2006 06:16:24 PM new
Hey Dbl - do you live in WV? Not sure why but I got that impression. If so, is your governor the incredibly "human" and rational individual that he has come across as over the past couple days all the time? Seems like he might be an interesting leader.
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mingotree posted on January 4, 2006 09:51:43 AM ---------Oh, yes, WV.------------
oops! I see I have screwed up and posted under my mingotree ID in answering you, fenix. Well - now that that cat's out of the bag, I hope you'll find conversations with "mingotree" (since "it" insists on answering for me) more tolerable than you normally do of dialogue between yourself and dbl
From now on it can answer any and everything for me. But it forgot to tell you that the twelvepole and I are a just a hop skip and a pond hole jump away overe yonder in this grat state of WV!! -- Way to go Mountaineers!!!
edit to add: Yes, the govnor is a good man.
dbl edit to correct the right word.
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[ edited by dblfugger9 on Jan 4, 2006 06:43 PM ]
posted on January 4, 2006 07:20:35 PM new
fenix - I'm beginning to agree with Ron and dbl.....you appear to me to think YOU'RE the ONLY one who listens to the news...and that what YOU heard is the only position to be believed.
I don't think anyone is LYING here. It's all a matter of what we EACH heard reported.
Myself I was listening to CNN in the middle of the night when the report first broke that the 12 miners were alive. Then I listen to the man in charge say there was a mix-up of what some of their workers [trying to save the miners] had heard vs what was reported to the news agencies that were there.
REMEMBER fenix, the news and camera crews WERE NOT around the site where they were working. The manager/owner? I don't know who he was....but he DID make a STATEMENT that SEVERAL on the crew believed that's what they heard.
posted on January 4, 2006 07:53:34 PM new
Linda - Are you telling me that there is any news agency out there that is reporting that is reporting that a mine official made a statement to the families that everyone was found alive?
I said that at lthis point in time laying blame is irresponsible since no one can pin point who the news that all were found alive came from. NOt even the families were able to say - it's all just "word is" and "Somebody said". Ron wants to run with an assumption that he has cited absolutely no confirming source whatsoever and for some reason you have decided to take up his cause.
Why am I not shocked.
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posted on January 4, 2006 08:05:26 PM new
Again, in a different way, fenix.
I'm saying that until each and every news reporter that was there....tells us all who told them the miners were still alive....we don't know. We each go on what WE hear reported.
Doesn't make what you heard, what I heard nor what Ron heard the final word. We won't know that for a while, most likely.
All I'm saying is what I heard on CNN....and it was their female reporter talking with friends and family members of the miners, who WEREN'T in the Church, about how happy they were to hear they were still alive.
Then again on CNN the man I presume to be the mine owner/or spokesperson was explaining HOW the confusion happened. HIS view/statement to the cameras was that those up on the hill....drilling the wholes were the one's who SAID they were alive.
I think this is a big deal over nothing. Not going to change what happened....and it doesn't really matter, imo, who said what. These poor miners are dead and their families had to go through even more pain....with the incorrect news first then the factual news later.
posted on January 4, 2006 08:09:00 PM new
I dont know why the focus is on who to blame,etc? Just because the information was wrong at the time -- that didnt really impact the outcome of this tragedy, yay or nay, or could have influenced it's outcome. Am I the only one who sees it this way? People died. anyone remotely involved is going to feel pain and anger and immense frustration over it. I havent even watched it on tv since yesterday. The news media is as usual, over stepping its boundaries while making sub issues larger than life and somehow again drowning themselves and us in it - that it starts to seem surreal.
posted on January 4, 2006 08:12:23 PM new
Ron said: "Over zealous mine officials trying to get something positive out."
And aside from what I've already said...YES that same man, on CNN, who was imo acting as spokesman for the miners who were trying to save the others....at first was reporting it didn't look good. THEN when he was talking about the reverse being said, he said he did understand that the miners were still alive, FROM the workers there. But yes, he did say HE had not made that statement as a 'formal' announcement to the press.
posted on January 4, 2006 08:14:08 PM new
So Linda - what exactly is it that you think I was wrong about when I said that Ron assigning blame with no support of his accusation is irresponsible?
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posted on January 4, 2006 08:22:34 PM newOver zealous mine officials trying to get something positive out.
fenix - I agree with what Ron said above....as I've already stated. I too think they SO wanted the men to be alive...that when those workers, who were UP THERE reported they were alive...ALL of them believed the same thing...was MY understanding from the mine spokesperson.
Who heard them first, ran down the hill, or used their cell phone to report this NEWS to the news reporters on the ground???? I have absolutely no idea.
I'm ONLY stating I agreed with the position Ron took and why I see it the same way.
Thought you didn't get into these 'pissing' matches. Sure seems like you do to me lately.
posted on January 4, 2006 08:25:44 PM new
Dbl - I don't disagree. To tell you the truth, I think that one of the misconceptions that family members had came from a media interview. There was an interview with a nurse from the local hospital that said that they had one of the miners there and was unable to give any info on their condition. When asked if there was word on when the others arrived she said she didn't know, that maybe they were going to the church first to see their family members. At the time that didn't make sense since they had been talking about the dangerous carbon monoxide levels in the shaft but personally I just thought that maybe they had gone deep and been able to avoid excessive exposure. Now it just looks like an assumption that someone overheard and took as fact. there are way too many times that the media, in need of filling airtime ask questions of people that could not possibly know the answer and people try to give them opinion rather than facts since... "I Don't know", "Can't say", and "I have no info on that" don't make for very exciting interviews.
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posted on January 4, 2006 08:33:24 PM new
I don't think that they did not believe/hope that they were all alive. I'm just saying that they did not make an announcement of that.
If you want to read an intersting article with media fiasco and where different outlets got their info, check this out....... (It's pretty long, so I am not going to post it here)
posted on January 4, 2006 08:41:17 PM newsince... "I Don't know", "Can't say", and "I have no info on that" don't make for very exciting interviews.
lol very true.
I think larry king is scrambling to get jim corn cob pipe smoker on the air for his views right about now too.... (I say this in jest, but they do go to ridiculous lengths and in myo, then revile and corrupt the reality of any true emotion associated with it.)
And it just seems so sad to me, to see the human condition in action here. Now they are interviewing people who are angry about this issue -- and its all just the sub issues and the outer layers detracting. Granted if they find out the mines were in violatons, they have the right to be angry about that. But contrary to what big peepa wrote, I also saw interview about the people who work those minds. The one thing this guy said (and he has written books on the area the culture and the mines) - that struck me was, he said: "people want to work these mines, they'd rather do it than work at walmart and they will tell you that too." so i'm sure they know the risk but people in high risk jobs never stop to think or worry about that. If they really did, maybe they wouldnt do it after all.
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posted on January 5, 2006 07:06:48 AM new
fenix, thanks, that WAS an interesting link.
I want to ask you something. Who, in your opinion, is the best (or a really good one) saxophone player on the market? New or old? I need to find a Cd for somebody -- its supposed to be a saxophone only, no vocals or lyrics, and christian/gospel oriented (if thats possible?) Thanks, dbl.
posted on January 5, 2006 07:25:43 AM new
Dbl - I am not a good judge on that one. I'm not enough of a jazz fan to be able to give you a good recomendation.
Ron - try jumping up and down and waving your arms wildly in the street. You'll get more attention.
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posted on January 5, 2006 08:01:50 AM new
ohh why did I think you were a big jazz fan? Dont you talk about BBKing and all those alot?
(albeit he is more blues)
Okay, well thanks anyway.
ps: are you still not cant standing me, or are you over it. not quite sure here! lol!
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posted on January 5, 2006 08:12:25 AM new
classic, then, you need to help me with this. It is a real project and I gotta find this Cd before I am hung on the galley, or I'm made to sing for my supper
posted on January 5, 2006 08:18:53 AM new
I left yesterday, right after posting that (didn't see the other thread)
I don't know who made the mistake of not getting the whole story (of the miners being dead) but if I were one of the family members waiting, I believe I would have lost it, to find out 3 hours later that they had died.
I think every media in the country reported that 12 were alive. Hard to see who was wrong, and who blame.
