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 WashingtoneBayer
 
posted on December 27, 2005 04:22:31 PM
The findings by the Institute for Public Policy Research (IPPR), revealed Tuesday, will make embarrassing reading for European governments that have berated Washington for its refusal to ratify the United Nations pact.

Of 15 countries in Europe signed up to Kyoto, only Britain and Sweden were on target to meet their commitments on reducing harmful gas emissions by 2012, said the IPPR, Britain's leading progressive think tank.


This is an excerpt from a news article, it shows how countries are quick to judge others but don't bother looking in the mirror.

Ron
"Better to be hated for who you are than loved for who you are not."
 
 Linda_K
 
posted on December 27, 2005 06:57:09 PM
Live and learn....some just don't learn the easy way.

I'd read an article to this....said the same thing.

And a while back there was another one about how EXPENSIVE Canada is finding out their agreeing to this is. How much MORE than they thought this is costing them.


Looks like the smart one WAS/IS our President for NOT agreeing to it....for the reasons he wouldn't.....Cost to our economy AND that the other major countries wouldn't have to abide by the same rules.


GREAT decision, President Bush....some have to learn the hard way....always.





 
 WashingtoneBayer
 
posted on December 28, 2005 06:46:28 AM
Have to agree Linda, this time he made a good decision that saved us money.
Ron
"Better to be hated for who you are than loved for who you are not."
 
 desquirrel
 
posted on December 28, 2005 07:53:07 AM
Only a wacko could come up with a theory that says American industries which are much cleaner than average have to be penalized because there are more of them.

Meanwhile, the massive Chinese chemical spill has reached Russia. Just don't eat the fish for 2 years---right.

 
 kraftdinner
 
posted on December 28, 2005 09:51:01 AM
Sorry, I can't agree. The only reason Bush won't sign Kyoto is because the big industries he protects would lose money. Any country in it's right mind would want to reduce emissions, but then Bush has never cared about the environment.

 
 desquirrel
 
posted on December 28, 2005 09:58:35 AM
Ok, why don't you start.

If Canada closes half of its industries there will be less pollution.

Of course every plant you close will be 100X cleaner than Romania, China, E. Germany, Russia, and a dozen others.

Get IT???

When THEY get to be a fraction as clean as US, THEN we can talk about limits on US.

 
 Linda_K
 
posted on December 28, 2005 10:25:55 AM
LOL....desquirrel....don't concern them with FACTS....it gives them such a warm, fuzzy feeling to believe [even though there is no PROOF this treaty is going to change a thing] they're doing the 'right' thing.


Here's a link for anyone interested:

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:eDgKe5L5fZMJ:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyoto_Protocol+kyoto+expensive+to+Canada&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

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I believe it's New Zealand that's seeing the error of their ways by agreeing to this treaty. Canada is beginning to 'see the light' too.


It's been estimated that Canada's agreement to this treaty will cost them approx. $40-60 BILLION dollars a year...and cost their ecomony a loss of approx. 400,000 manufacturing jobs. [Read that in a recent CBC [ca] news article.

Yep....and NOW they're saying it's UNFAIR and asking for certain 'allowances' because of what they're beginning to 'see'.

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But notice here how it's OUR fault this is happening to Canada

Just like their gov. is blaming America for their doubling gun-related crime wave. That's OUR fault too.



 
 Helenjw
 
posted on December 28, 2005 10:30:08 AM

"When THEY get to be a fraction as clean as US, THEN we can talk about limits on US.

What an irresponsible attitude. You are saying that since X doesn't care that you won't care either.



 
 WashingtoneBayer
 
posted on December 28, 2005 12:54:03 PM
Precsiely desquirrel.

All these other countries need to clean up first, but I think they realize how expensive it actually is.




Ron
"Better to be hated for who you are than loved for who you are not."
 
 Linda_K
 
posted on December 28, 2005 01:39:54 PM
I'd sure like to hear the excuse from all those who don't think China can afford to 'clean up their act'.



 
 logansdad
 
posted on December 30, 2005 04:12:40 PM

The global annual temperature for combined land and ocean surfaces is expected to be very close to the record global temperature that was established in 1998 under the influence of an extremely strong El Niņo episode. There has been no such El Niņo event in 2005, but rather, unusual warmth across large parts of the globe throughout the year. NOAA is in the process of transitioning to an improved global temperature analysis system. The data analysis system used by NOAA for global temperature analyses over the past eight years indicates that 2005 would likely be the second-warmest year on record (1.06 degrees F; 0.59 degrees C above the 1880-2004 mean), marginally lower than 1998. (Click on NOAA image for larger view of January - December global surface mean temperature anomalies from 1880 to 2005. Please credit "NOAA."

The largest temperature anomalies were widespread throughout high latitude regions of the Northern Hemisphere and included much of Russia, Scandinavia, Canada and Alaska. During the past century, global surface temperatures have increased at a rate near 1.1 degrees F/Century (0.6 degrees C/Century), but the rate of temperature increase has been three times larger since 1976, with some of the largest temperature increases occurring in the high latitudes.

Reflecting the global warmth in 2005, a new record was established in September for the lowest Arctic sea ice extent since satellite monitoring began in the late 1970s, according to the National Snow and Ice Data Center. This is part of a continuing trend in end-of-summer Arctic sea ice extent reductions of approximately eight percent per decade since 1979. (Click on NOAA image for larger view of global significant climate anomalies and events in 2005. Click here for high resolution version. Please credit "NOAA."

The year began with the continuation of a weak El Niņo episode that developed in late 2004, but sea surface temperatures in the central and east-central equatorial Pacific decreased early in the year and the episode ended by late February. Few impacts from the weak El Niņo occurred worldwide, and neutral conditions persisted for the remainder of the year.

Significant weather and climate events for the globe included: severe drought in parts of southern Africa and the Greater Horn of Africa, extreme monsoon-related rainfall in western India including a 24-hour rainfall total of 37.1 inches in Mumbai, the worst drought in decades in the Amazon River basin, severe drought in large parts of western Europe, and a record warm year in Australia.

NOAA, an agency of the U.S. Department of Commerce, is dedicated to enhancing economic security and national safety through the prediction and research of weather and climate-related events and providing environmental stewardship of the nation's coastal and marine resources.

Through the emerging Global Earth Observation System of Systems (GEOSS), NOAA is working with its federal partners and nearly 60 countries to develop a global monitoring network that is as integrated as the planet it observes.

http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2005/s2548.htm



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 Linda_K
 
posted on December 30, 2005 04:32:04 PM
Yep, and then there are all the scientists that say there is no guarantee that this Kyoto agreement will change ONE THING.

So let all the foolish countries that want to spend millions and millions of dollars and lose millions of jobs....do so.
They're beginning to see the negative results NOW....and just how much as their 'compliance' changed the weather? If we wait another couple of century's maybe we'll see the 'great' results by then....maybe not either.



We have a President that's smart enough to see an unfair to America 'deal' the rest of you Internationalists appear to support.
 
 WashingtoneBayer
 
posted on December 30, 2005 04:40:29 PM
Agreed Linda.

It would be a bad thing to agree to this. This planet has been in a warming trend for centuries.
Ron
"Better to be hated for who you are than loved for who you are not."
 
 nerfballwillie
 
posted on January 1, 2006 11:37:04 PM new
Everyone knows that the only thing that brought humanity out of the ice ages was car emmisions.

Of course the planet is getting warmer, that is what planets do. They get warmer, then they get colder, then warmer, etc. for billions of years ( sorry Christians, ahem...7005 years) It is a pointless argument - yes, industry does contribute some to global warming, but so do much larger, natural phenomena such as change of ocean currents, release of methane gas from the ocean floor, volcanic eruptions etc. This planet has always had erratic temperature changes - no scientist will disagree with that. Perhaps people should stop farting, too?

 
 Linda_K
 
posted on January 1, 2006 11:43:12 PM new
LOL....now I'll agree with that [quit farting]


 
 
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