I need help identitying these two figures from the bible. I am not exactly the most religious person in the world so any help will be greatly appreciated.
posted on May 31, 2006 05:29:46 PM new
Well i'll be danged. That looks like Norman and Tootsie Jones, the head Waiter and Waitress from the Last Supper restaurant in beautiful downtown Jerusalem.
I'm not trying to sound mean (really, really I'm not) but, even I know that is Jesus and Mary and I'm definitely not the most religious person around here.
Now, what exactly are those? I can't tell because you aren't showing all of them.
posted on May 31, 2006 07:58:07 PM new
You know Sparz... I've been called many things in my life but I think you may have hit upon a first here. I don't think anyone has ever connected me and virginal in the same thought.
Besides, everyone knows I don't wear blue.
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[ edited by fenix03 on May 31, 2006 07:58 PM ]
I had my suspicions, but since the last time I was even in a church was the last funeral I attended three years ago, I wanted confirm it. I didn't want to prejudice anyone with my guess.
posted on May 31, 2006 09:36:53 PM new
I'm not Catholic so what are they for? Salad oil and vinegar or what.... Kinda neat looking.
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posted on May 31, 2006 09:58:41 PM new
Is the "locket" plastic, metal or glass? I've never seen anything like this set before. Wonder if it was made to decorate the table for the Virgin Mary Toast? Or better yet, a Holy Moses salad?
ok, I just gotta ask... which one is the oil and which one is the vinegar?
posted on June 1, 2006 09:58:06 AM new
One is for water and one is for wine.
http://www.rpinet.com/ml/2603bi2.html
Cruets
by Paul Turner
In the culinary world, cruets are small bottles for the vinegar and oil you pour onto a salad. In the Catholic world, cruets may hold water and wine for the Eucharist. They sat on the side table in sanctuaries for hundreds of years, but they are becoming impractical.
The practice in the past is still honored in many Catholic parishes: Glass cruets matched perfectly; you could tell which held water and which held wine by looking at their contents. Short and squat, they sat inside the finger bowl nestled by a white cloth. Servers assisting the priest or deacon first offered him the cruet of wine; he poured a few teaspoons into the chalice. They next offered the cruet of water; he added a few drops. They returned with the water cruet, finger bowl and cloth; they poured water over the priest’s fingers into the bowl and he dried them with the cloth.
Although the ceremony has not changed, the shape and arrangement of the vessels has. When communion is offered under both forms to the entire assembly, keeping the wine for Mass in a small cruet is simply impractical. A larger vessel, a carafe, is needed for the wine. The priest or deacon may pour some wine from the carafe into a chalice and then place the carafe next to the chalice on the altar. Obviously, the size of the water container can be much smaller and need not match the carafe.
Furthermore, it is less likely to see the wine on the side table at the beginning of Mass. It will be brought to the altar in procession with the bread and the gifts for the church and the poor. Placing two cruets inside the finger bowl is like storing the vinegar and oil cruets at home in the sink. It may look neat, but it does not express well the purpose of any of these vessels.
Changes in the cruets represent a significant change in our practice of communion. Matching vessels is not as important as partaking of both the Body and the Blood of Christ.
posted on June 1, 2006 10:07:05 AM new
I don't think these are Communion Cruets (I am Episcopalian but we use them too). With the reference to Grace before and after meals I think these were meant for home table use (oil and vinegar probably) - kitschy IMHO but there are some who would consider them an expression of their devotion and things of beauty.
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