auctioncure
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posted on April 12, 2005 02:37:15 PM
This one guy won my auction ( http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4982565909 )
he has 17 feedbacks which are private and is a member for only 2 months.
he wants me to deliver the diamond ring to a p.o. box located in ELLENVILLE, NY 12428. he says its for his wife and its going to be a surprise. also when he sent me the invoice request he said "we're in us now" and he does not know how to speak english properly, his last name is "figueroa". also his paypal address is the different from the address that he was emailing me from.
i'm about to tell him that i do not deliver to p.o. boxes, only to home addresses with signature delivery confirmations thru UPS and since his feedback is low and private that he will have to send me a cashier's check. agree?
please advise, thank you in advance.
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agitprop
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posted on April 12, 2005 02:43:40 PM
Reeks of a PayPal chargeback fraud. Even if you receive a cashier's check get your bank to phone the issuer to confirm it's genuine before depositing in case it's a fake. I wish the US banks would follow the international trend and embrace strong account security and free inter-bank transfers like other countries - would make our US payments so much easier and safer.
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max40
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posted on April 12, 2005 02:45:14 PM
Somebody once said on this board--Don't take Paypal for anything more than you can afford to lose.
I'd insist on Bidpay or cash. Sounds shakey to me. I don't even trust Cashiers Checks 100%.
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auctioncure
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posted on April 12, 2005 03:05:25 PM
he just replied:
Here is my street address: ***********
I already sent payment through paypal,and I cannot send a cashier's check,but I can make my feedback visible if necessary.
Thanks
Ralph
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what do you guys say? why wouldn't he be able to send a cashier's check? doesn't make any sense... should i send him his money back?
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stopwhining
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posted on April 12, 2005 03:29:01 PM
why not ask him to wire you the money or use ACH-automated clearing house which is domestic fund transfer if he has a us bank account.
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auctioncure
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posted on April 12, 2005 03:30:45 PM
i refunded his money. his location says united kingdom and all the feedbacks that he has are for cheap auctions ($0.99-$3). i say this guy is 100% scam. if he doesn't send send cashier's check i will send a second offer to the next highest bidder
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stopwhining
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posted on April 12, 2005 03:33:16 PM
he could be okay,he sells on ebay france and some of the items go for a few hundred dollars.
he could be french!
or some seller thinks it is a she!
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auctioncure
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posted on April 12, 2005 03:35:08 PM
hahah thanks for the research. did you notice on his feedback record that all the high end stuff that he's bought were from the live auction in long island, ny, all from the same seller? all the items he's bidded on were diamonds.. ahhhhhh
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fenix03
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posted on April 12, 2005 03:40:11 PM
Am I not paraoid enough?
You have a US based bidder with no negs. Don't see a problem so far... Now you add in english as a second language and non anglo last name and now they are the embodiment of evil?
As for the certified chack... personally, if I have a seller whose terms state that they accept PayPal (no requirement of confirmed address BTW) and Money Orders also... who suddenly states that they have to have a certified check, I'm going to start being leary of the seller. If I do decide to go with their new requirement, the cost of that now required but previously unmentioned cashiers check will be deducted from the payment.
You are changing terms in midstream.
BTW - That PO Box address is much more secure than a street address. It's not all that difficult to get a mail box with a street address using a fake or no ID and the clerk at the box drop signs for packages, not the addressee but getting a registered P.O. Box requires government issued ID, a current verifiable physical address, etc. and anything requiring a signature will require the recipient again showing that previously mentioned ID.
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If it's really "common" sense, why do so few people actually have it?
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fenix03
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posted on April 12, 2005 03:44:33 PM
Cure - Check the spelling again on the location. That says S-T-A-T-E-S not K-I-N-G-D-O-M
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If it's really "common" sense, why do so few people actually have it?
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auctioncure
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posted on April 12, 2005 03:47:15 PM
fenix: if you see a link that i posted from the ebay is actually from united kingdom and his location in my auction's page says united kingdom.... in one of the emails he said "we're in usa now.... i want it to p.o. box because it is a surprise gift"
let's be realistic here... who from united kingdom is going to have p.o. address and a home address here in united states?
if he was us based i would not have any problem.
guy is on ebay for 2 months, bought most of the cheap items and hides his feedback.. hmmmm you tell me am i being just too paranoid.
about the terms... i do agree with you, but i'm member since '99 and have sold $65,000 worth of stuff last year, and you are going to say im suspicious? gee thanks 
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auctioncure
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posted on April 12, 2005 03:51:21 PM
he changed it... in the bidding page it says:
User ID (show email addresses)
pooh.honey ( 17)
Bid Amount
US $512.50
Date of bid
Apr-10-05 18:03:21 PDT
Location*
United Kingdom
Shipment Status
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fenix03
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posted on April 12, 2005 04:00:52 PM
Cure - the link you posted is a page on the UK site. That is completely different from being a UK based member. Even in the UK based site it states that they are a member registered in the United States. All that text means is that they were on the UK site when they placed the bid.
As for addresses in different countries... I have them, Agit has them... just because YOU do not have something does not mean it is bad. 
BTW - You cannot changed the country you are shown as registered from ... you can even list a different location when you list your auctions but you cannot change the country that your membership was registered.. I think it's etched in virtual stone.
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If it's really "common" sense, why do so few people actually have it?
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CBlev65252
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posted on April 12, 2005 04:04:39 PM
I don't see where on the bidding page it says United Kingdom. And, even if he is in the UK that doesn't make him automatically subject to suspicion. A lot of people have private feedback. They don't want others to know what they are bidding on. Nothing wrong with that. His feedback looks a-ok. He hasn't gone on a spending spree. I've had worse!
Cheryl
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Libra63
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posted on April 12, 2005 05:45:19 PM
I sold a book for $125.00 to a Frenchman who bid from the french site and I mailed his book to the US. He did pay in paypal. I had no problems. He had two address. I have also had a bidder from one of the spanish areas below and they
had a NY address and Bank. So I guess it all depends on who you trust. It looks like you don't trust this person and I don't think you will fell safe about the sale so I would say sorry to your winner and take the next highest bidder.
BTW there are a lot of foreign buyers that have relatives in the US and they request the item sent to them and inturn they will mail it to the buyer. Saves on duty...
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sthoemke
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posted on April 12, 2005 06:30:23 PM
I'd rather mail to a post office box than a house. I'd tend to think, there would be less chance of mailbox theft or mailperson leaving a package unsecure at the front door.
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sparkz
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posted on April 12, 2005 06:33:20 PM
What difference does it make if he's in the U.K., Romania, or 3 blocks away in your own neighborhood? He's asking you to ship to an unconfirmed address (the P.O. box). Hence, no seller protection if he tries a chargeback. Fenix is correct in that you are changing horses in midstream. If seller protection is important to you on high dollar items, you need to change your TOS and exclude Paypal from unverified addresses.
Bottom line, what is your risk tolerance? If you're willing to take a chance for a $500.00+ item, then go ahead and accept Paypal. Otherwise, ask for Bidpay, and if he hesitates, have that second chance offer ready to go.
A $75.00 solid state device will always blow first to protect a 25 cent fuse ~ Murphy's Law
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CBlev65252
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posted on April 12, 2005 06:41:23 PM
I bought from a seller once that doesn't send packages out until the money in her PayPal account posts to her bank account. You could go that route if it'll make you more comfortable. PayPal can't dip into your bank account. You shouldn't keep any money in that account anyway. You can also accept PayPal, but only with PayPal balances or instant bank transfers, no credit cards. Even if you use BidPay and he pays with a credit card, isn't it still possible to do a charge back through the credit card company?
If you don't state these things in your TOS, it hardly seems right to change gears mid-stream although I've seen sellers violate their own TOS before.
Cheryl
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sparkz
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posted on April 12, 2005 07:03:55 PM
Cheryl...A buyer cannot do a chargeback against a seller if they pay through Bidpay. They can only do a chargeback against Bidpay if Bidpay fails to issue a money order they purchased. The buyer is not purchasing an item from a seller, they are purchasing a money order from Bidpay.
A $75.00 solid state device will always blow first to protect a 25 cent fuse ~ Murphy's Law
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profe51
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posted on April 12, 2005 08:39:02 PM
cheryl, are you sure PayPal can't go into your linked bank accounts after a chargeback? I thought I'd read somewhere that they could.
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stonecold613
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posted on April 12, 2005 08:50:45 PM
let's be realistic here... who from united kingdom is going to have p.o. address and a home address here in united states?
Actually, it is a lot. It is very common for foreign bidders to have USA PO boxes especially from the UK and Canada. This is a very clear case of you listing to the first couple of over-reactors by killing this transaction. I actually agree with fenix on this. You screwed up.
PayPal can't dip into your bank account.
Cheryl is wrong again. As part of your PayPal agreement that you clicked that you agreed to, they can go to your bank account to satisfy any all of chargeback situations.
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CBlev65252
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posted on April 13, 2005 03:42:50 AM
stone
NO THEY CANNOT. That was changed quite awhile ago. When I find it, I'll post it.
Cheryl
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neglus
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posted on April 13, 2005 05:05:06 AM
I know when I have paid for a purchase and my PP balance is not sufficient they go right in to my bank acct and take whatever they need.
Besides, if you are a serious seller and intend to keep selling and using PayPal, emptying out your account to avoid a chargeback is not an option. They will get you in the end or ban you - not sure what that would do to your ebay selling privileges.
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CBlev65252
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posted on April 13, 2005 05:33:58 AM
neglus
That is different. I'm still looking for the update. I have it on a disk somewhere from when I back up my computer. It could take awhile and if you saw my office, you'd understand why. 
Cheryl
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CBlev65252
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posted on April 13, 2005 05:45:00 AM
Found it:
Notice Date: January 8, 2004
Effective Date: January 8, 2004
Updated main User Agreement and Payments Policy to remove provision which permitted debiting of bank accounts to recover money owed to PayPal.
How wrong am I now, stone?
Edited to add: Are you too grand to apologize for trying to make me look like an idiot?
Cheryl
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tOMWiii
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posted on April 13, 2005 06:41:28 AM
Cheryl:
Everytime this comes up, the Great Used Car Salesman blathers about how PayPal will yank moola outta one's checking account -- then we have to show AGAIN & AGAIN that he be WRONG!
"In terms of timetables, as quickly as possible—whatever that means."
—On ElmerW Fudd's time frame for shoring up Social Security, Washington D.C., March 16, 2005
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