GRETZKYMANIA
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posted on September 21, 2001 09:49:17 PM new
rumor has it meg & the gang of thiefs at ebay will be implementing some kind of structired fee for BUYERS!!! will this will happen in the near future?? again the AUCTION NAZIS are bleeding us dry! like they didnt make enough profit last quarter!! what are your thoughts,do you hear any of these rumors too???????????
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hwahwahwahwa
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posted on September 21, 2001 10:01:25 PM new
if the fee imposed on buyer is to ensure they will behave themselves when it comes to living up to their end of the contract,i am all for it.
aka down with deadbeats.
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thepackratsattic
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posted on September 22, 2001 08:21:08 AM new
Boy do I hope this is one of those rumors that got started by accident!
3+ years as a buyer-only on eBay would come to a screaching halt if the powers-that-be think they can institute "buyer premiums' and charge me for the priviledge of bidding and spending money.
But then.....maybe they would waive the fee IF the buyer and seller USED BILLPOINT for the transaction!!????!!
Hour by hour ebay is turning into less & less of a "venue" and "community" and more and more of a ca$h cow!
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bidsbids
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posted on September 22, 2001 08:49:50 AM new
eBay is entering uncharted waters as we are apparently now in a recession. Ebay may soon be running scared and I have a feeling there may be another free listing day before the annual end-of-the-year one. Even that could backfire on them as millions of free auctions could be listed that received few bids and depress the sellers so bad that they would be leery of paying real listing fees in the near future.
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sulyn1950
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posted on September 22, 2001 09:31:36 AM new
I don't see this as feasible, but I have run a couple of scenerios through my mind. Even with my diminished capacity I came up with a couple of possibilities:
Could make the buyer put up "earnest" money. That would help eBay re-coup the fees they must refund sellers who file FVF request. If the buyer did not fail to complete the transaction, what would happen to that money? Guess eBay could make it non-refundable. Of course, it would almost certainly require Billpoint as the payment service or it wouldn't work at all....
Then again, they could charge the buyer a non-refundable "finder's fee" and that, also, would most definitely require Billpoint.....How else could eBay be sure they would get their money????
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hwahwahwahwa
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posted on September 22, 2001 09:45:05 AM new
most fleamarkets charge entrance fee and parking fee,so could there be a membership fee ??
listing is down,more items receive no bids,and more and more low priced items and lowball bidding?
i always said does it make sense to provide a venue for selling books at one penny,postcards for 99 cents and many items under 10 dollars??
how do these venue providers pay their bills?/
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thepackratsattic
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posted on September 22, 2001 09:45:55 AM new
eBay may be "running scared", but so are a lot of internet sellers, buyers, and those of us out here in the B&M RL world!
If there is a SINGLE brain cell working in that corporate office, they will realize that NOW is NOT the time to be worrying about shoring up the P&L's and the P/E charts but a time to shore up the ECONOMY!
That will not be accomplished with companies looking for ways to make their bottom lines look better to the stock holders next quarter so they get their megazillion year end bonus!
eBay has to decide if they want to stabilize (& maybe increase earnings) thru MORE sales and MORE FVF or thru more "fees" on the backs of the people who MAKE eBay work!
"I don't necessarily want to be the TOP dog....but I would like to quit being the fire hydrant!"
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uaru
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posted on September 22, 2001 10:03:48 AM new
Lots of dot.com companies are looking to increase their income. AuctionWatch has a plan to increase their income by issuing fines for false/unfounded rumors on the message boards.
Personally I think that's a great idea on AW's part. It still allows people the freedome to holler "The Sky Is Falling" but it discourages it.
*****
AuctionWatch Chicken Little Fee imposed: $5.00 billed to uaru
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sulyn1950
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posted on September 22, 2001 10:25:59 AM new
uaru-don't take the fun out!!!! I find rumors and conspiracy theories the most enjoyable part of all of this! I can let my imagination and latent creativity run freeeee...
Still need a bit more work on my creativity...but my imagination is on FULL THROTTLE!!! 
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bidsbids
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posted on September 22, 2001 10:45:06 AM new
I've been to live auctions where are the winning bidders had to pay 10% of the winning bid amount. Maybe something similar to that live auction aspect is substance of this new rumor?
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thepackratsattic
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posted on September 22, 2001 10:45:17 AM new
CONSPIRACY? There aint no stinkin' conspiracies!
(heh Meg....got that file on our takeover of UPS so we can see how much more stock we need before we force sellers to ship w/them?)
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sadie999
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posted on September 22, 2001 05:13:12 PM new
"If there is a SINGLE brain cell working in that corporate office..."
I think the fact we're talking eBay answers that question. 
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holdenrex
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posted on September 22, 2001 05:44:13 PM new
"most fleamarkets charge entrance fee and parking fee..."
They do? I've never been to a flea market that charges entrance or parking fees. I've paid entrance fees for antique shows, but never at a flea market.
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quickdraw29
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posted on September 22, 2001 06:32:24 PM new
When you're the only game in town you can charge whatever you want. Ebay could charge a $12 membership ($1/mo), $5 rebated on first order. The buyers will rush to use their $5 rebate, ebay's revenue would go up with more commission netted; more sales ecourage more listings by the sellers, equals more listing fee revenue.
Plus, people want to use up their value of their memb fee so they are more likely to buy on ebay then search other sites.
It's not a matter of if, it's when will they implement a buyers fee.
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KatyD
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posted on September 22, 2001 06:43:19 PM new
Lol! This "rumor" has been floating around for at least 2 years. If sellers want to see what buyers they have dry up, this would be an excellent way to do it.
As for Buyer's Premiums at live auctions, it's a different animal altogether. The bidder has the opportunity to physically see, touch, and examine the goods for flaws before making the decision to bid on them. They don't have to rely on a sellers "description" that what they are bidding on is as represented. I sure wouldn't pay" a premium to bid on ebay. LOL!
KatyD
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Stan41
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posted on September 22, 2001 07:02:34 PM new
I think that charging buyers would mean the end of ebay, and very quickly. I also think they are too smart to commit suicide like that.
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gravid
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posted on September 22, 2001 07:29:38 PM new
As soon as a business runs up against the natural limits of it's territory and stops trying to get new customers and provide a cheaper product and instead starts finding new ways to extract more money from a shrinking base it is an unending doenhill slide.
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costa
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posted on September 22, 2001 10:12:29 PM new
Perhaps that will be good,
It may mean that ebay are no longer just 'a venue'.
Auction rooms in Australia that now charge 'buyers premium', I believe, now have a further obligation to the buyers. If an item is purchased and damage etc' was not announced, then you have the right to a full refund.
Perhaps ebay could provide full refunds on purchase price and associated costs if you are scammed by a seller, that should contribute significantly toward an increase in confidence for buyers and in prices for sellers.
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wranglers
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posted on September 22, 2001 11:23:50 PM new
if there was a box that the seller could check
( ) buyer pays all fees associated with this item to ebay
( ) seller pays all fees associated with this item to ebay
the buyer would have to have a CC on file with ebay, everyone would have to use billpoint(by by PayPal) the transaction would be billed within seconds of the close of the auction and you would receive an email that said payment has been processed this is the verified address payment has been deposited to your account have a nice day.
tomorrow every seller would sign up for billpoint, check the box for the buyer to pay, sales would slow down for about a week and it would be business as usual.
It will never happen but I would be glad if it did.
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yeager
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posted on September 23, 2001 12:07:52 AM new
I often how these rumors get started. I know how they continue. Why worry about this issue? If they are going to charge a buyer's fee, then there is nothing anyone can do to stop them. I'm going to list my auctions and not worry about this matter.
Also, where do people hear these rumors? From another online auction user who heard them from another online auction user, who heard them from another online auction user, who heard them from another online auction user? Or was it in the form of a printed article that could be researched?
Rumors are like jokes. Each time someone tells a joke, it gets changed a little bit and the person hearing the joke understands it differently, and he thens tells it according to his understanding. It really isn't the same as when it started.
[ edited by yeager on Sep 23, 2001 12:13 AM ]
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amy
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posted on September 23, 2001 12:20:25 AM new
AuctionWatch has a plan to increase their income by issuing fines for false/unfounded rumors on the message boards.
In order to encourage the rise of rumors...which AW really wants because the more rumors the more income from the "fines", AW will award the best rumor of the week with a new AW baseball cap.
Weekly winners vie for "rumor of the Month" and the winner gets his name in one of those flashing banners at the top of the page.
Monthly winners vie for "rumor of the year" and get a free trip to AW headquarters for a wienie roast with Mark, Rodrigo and anyone else who might still be working at AW.
Plus...AW won't be issuing fines, they will be accepting payment for the "privilege" of starting a rumor. Those who start a rumor who hasn't paid first will get the fines...triple the normal "rumor fee"
If the rumor proves to be true AW will refund to the rumor monger triple the fee he paid to start said rumor.
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yeager
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posted on September 23, 2001 12:25:10 AM new
Really Amy,
Is that true or is that just a rumor?
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amy
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posted on September 23, 2001 12:30:47 AM new
Why, true of course.
I was told by a very reliable source who got it from the second cousin of the person who drives the truck that delivers beer to the woman who cuts the hair of the man who delivers the newspaper to the minister of the teenager who is the son of the late night janitor in the building next door to the building that AW is in.
Now, how much more reliable can you get?
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uaru
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posted on September 23, 2001 01:02:32 AM new
Amy Now, how much more reliable can you get?
I'm rather careful about where I get my rumors I look to the message boards.
I notice that AW didn't issue a fine for your remarks about the baseball cap. Evidently that isn't a rumor about creating rumors.
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SaraAW
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posted on September 23, 2001 01:36:16 AM new
Hi everyone,
Let's get back on Topic please.
Sara
[email protected]
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amy
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posted on September 23, 2001 05:01:59 AM new
But wasn't the topic rumors?
Why even the first post said it was a "rumor"
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yeager
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posted on September 23, 2001 11:15:18 PM new
Well Amy,
Since you seem to have the facts in order, then maybe it is true!
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icyu
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posted on September 24, 2001 12:12:52 AM new
From the ebay Premier FAQ:
"Q. When will Buyer's Premium be introduced on eBay core site?
A. Buyer's Premium will be implemented only on eBay Premier at this time. There are no plans to introduce this fee on eBay core site."
bwahhhhhahhhhahhhhaaaa
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bidsbids
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posted on September 24, 2001 08:46:41 AM new
"most fleamarkets charge entrance fee and parking fee..."
They do? I've never been to a flea market that charges entrance or parking fees. I've paid entrance fees for antique shows, but never at a flea market.
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The famous San Jose Flea Market charges $5 to park on weekends and some Community College flea markets in SF Bay Area charge from $1.50 to $3.00 to park. Some area flea markets charge an entrance fee if no parking fee is charged.
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GreedBay
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posted on September 24, 2001 08:50:36 AM new
I nominate Amy for her own award for telling people that sellers' contributions to AFA are definitely cash contributions. Any seconds?
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