posted on February 17, 2001 02:51:40 PM new
So what happens is that Shack starts calling me and it just drives me crazy. He is in hot HOT pursuit, and I eventually imagine that he MAY be but it is truly hard to tell.
See he calls me a two or three times a week and he talks to me. At length. A half hour here, an hour there, some conversation were 2 hours long but he never ever ever asked for a date.
WEEKS passed.
Several, but it may have been 5 or even 6.
I had completely forgotten what he looked like. Honestly I don't think I even noticed in the first place, (oh yeah, not visual) so what I had here was this voice and when I got off the phone I could not even really recall the conversation.
Pisces are smiling right now.
So he calls and asks a lot of questions, and hangs up for the 20th time, no date and I am sure I will never hear from him again and I realize that this would make me a bit sad. See, he was asking me for nothing and I was growing fond of him. This guy who says he lives in a shack in the mountains and whatever else he said because I could not remember.
He was a bit like Valium. You feel okay for no reason you can name or explain.
posted on February 17, 2001 05:34:18 PM new
"I live in a shack."
"huh?"
"A shack. I live in a shack."
"lol, that's funny, what kind of shack?"
"Well, it's pretty shack-y. In fact, it is really shack-y"
"You really live in a shack?"
"Yes I do?"
"Okay."
He tells me he has been up late.
Way late.
He tells me this all the time.
I don't ask why. It is not because I do not wonder, I just don't ever ask people probing questions. I figure they will tell me what they want when they want and so I leave it be.
Does he want me to ask?
I don't know.
So I dial up dble Aquarius who is sleeping with Taurus and complaining about him and his leg he keeps throwing over her when they sleep together and I ask her to ask him if Shack really lives in a shack.
Remember, I think he is possibly retarded and so I really have no idea.
She quizzes Taurus and reports back that it is true - he does live in a shack and she adds that he adds that Shack is a great guy.
The best.
I also learn that he is an expert skier, rock climber, ice climber, kayaker, runs marathons, you get the picture....
He never mentioned this. Or maybe he said he ran now and then.
Do you see how I became intrigued?
If I would have looked at his body, I might have noticed.
I did not look at him because I did not see his Pisces Mars aimed at me which is my whole reason for telling all this.
I am being wooed and swept off my feet and have no idea it is happening, or at least I am not sure. It is really just a vague thing that cannot be defined. Is something happening or will it all erase like it was not there on day from now?
Who knows?
I still did not know why this guy never asked to see me and I was getting kind of antsy.
Of course that is an understatement.
Next time he called (I think he gave me his number, but to hell with that, I don't chase men) I was always going to confront him and ask him what the hell he was doing, but I never did.
I told him that I did not remember what he looked like.
This was my way of maybe hinting to this boy that many weeks had passed....
uh...
So he ignores (?) the hint and tells me what he looks like.
"I have this hair and I look kind of whatever."
I don't remember a nanosecond after he tells me - I mean what is the point? I am thinking at this point that this guy has wasted a large amount of my time for purpose non-specific and I am mostly pissed off, or knowing me, probably more like pouting, but whatever, I was "cross".
How about that?
Finally, finally, finally.... he asks me if I would like to go to dinner.
Well, hell yes, I have been hungry for a MONTH at least.
This is when he tells me about the chariot.
This is his car.
His broken car.
Seems he had a truck he drove. It was a shack-y truck.
Well this bastard also has this broken car, his pride or joy and he know tells me that he has been fixing the car for our date.
Yes.
He tells me that I am the inspiration for him fixing this car that has sat in his garage for 2 1/2 years or maybe 4 year, I can't remember s*** about this Valium, I mean man.
He tells me that no one thought he would ever fix this car and that he has been working on the car 12 hours a day on the weekends and into the middle of the night after work.
He says that he only stops working on the car to call me.
He tells me that he has been deliriously happy since he met me and he wanted us to have our first date in his special car.
SOB!
My LEO Venus says YEAH BABY! to that and the Stage 2 games begin...
posted on February 17, 2001 08:25:15 PM new
Hi cmbtboots - everybody.
I ran out of time tonight because I had a date with my husband.
He has been right on it since that "neglected wife" t-shirt idea of mine and I am enjoying the spoils denied me previously
Cmbtboots - I have an opinionated opinion of course, but can't do much with just "Gemini". It would be good if you could at least get her birthday.
In whatever case, we know by my memory that you have the Venus situation that is going to be T by Saturn and so you most definitely will be working on a relationship, even a work relationship. See if you can get the other info and if not, I will fly with what I have.
xardon - the cop thing is bad, even worse than when parents tell kids that the doc is going to give them a shot. Also, thanks for the compliments, both overt, and not so I appreciate it.
posted on February 17, 2001 08:26:48 PM new
Oh yeah, and Muriel - thanks for the Moon - my husband got a zing out of that and lifted it for I dunno what purpose.
posted on February 17, 2001 08:47:10 PM new
... she is 38 and born at this time plus 2 apples and you take 1 piece of fruit away and the train is moving at 65, no, I mean 66 mile per hour....
posted on February 17, 2001 08:59:29 PM new
eek, why do you think I said she was 38 instead of giving you the year? My math bites! I am 35 and born in 65. So, I believe 1962. Do I win a prize? Please let it be a calculator.
posted on February 17, 2001 10:38:07 PM new
mbtbbots,Thankyou and my thoughts and prayers with you and your friend.I hope her baggage doesnt
drag you down.Sometimes people won't listen
When they have been broken.Just have to put the pieces back together.
Are you selling on ebay? Or have you considered selling real time? Maybe a thrift shop? They do a bang up buisness around here.
Some donate less then 10% to a charity and
are IRS exempt on some taxes.Being a woman
You are open for a lot of grants and special
loans.Its a little work,(writeing a good
cover letter)and sending out 3 to 5
applications at a time.All you need is one approvel.What I do know,And what I dont
know will confuse you(I confuse myself)
There is a video put out by a grant training
company.Its expensive 75.00,And you are
walked thru the process.They also have a
tape(tape recorder)for 25.00 Then the books
with info cost(4) are 75.00.You can get a way with the video or tape to start out with.
I can look up any info for you if you wish.
Just holler when you are ready.
My disclaimer:I make nothing off this info,
Books and tapes.
posted on February 17, 2001 11:40:37 PM newjunquemama Yes, I'm selling on eBay. Sales have been pretty crappy the past month or so. Right now I am waiting for eBay to receive my money order so I can list more. I really need to get a credit card on file.
There are a handful of thrift stores that went under this past year, so that probably would not be the best route for me. What we are looking for is something that can be done over the computer, perhaps buying wholesale and reselling, not necessarily on eBay. We are still in the brainstorming stage. Whatever it is, it will have to be something without a huge amout of start-up costs.
I have a pretty huge credit problem so I think grants and loans will be out of the question for the time being.
As for the training video and recorder, $75 is something I cannot afford to spend. That is about a month's worth of food. Who is the company that puts out the videos?
posted on February 18, 2001 06:14:12 AM new
cmbtboots - this was easy. Yes, team up with her.
She has real business ability (both in her life and highly visible via her chart). Your Jupiter is conjunct her Sun and her Jupiter is conjunct your Saturn in the 10th. She is quite QUITE fortunate or you, and here to help you face your fear. You should consider any time you spend with her to be a good investment.
The astrology deal is this.
Both of you have a slew of mutable planets and so like I wrote to you - first comes Jupiter with the inspiration and luck (teaming together is wholly lucky for both of you) which will be followed by Saturn and 2 1/2 years of work. There is no way around this, but you can have something real in this time frame and so what can you do but take this deal.
You both have business ability, but you have the grand struggle with Venus things (you are going to have to straighten out you credit problems) and how it shakes out is that she is business and money guru to you and you are the emotional guru for her.
Now there is much much much going on here - but another angle for you to be aware of is that this is a RELATIONSHIP and it will be your job to make it a successful one which is one of your supreme life challenges.
What I am trying to say is this woman is invaluable to you, even if aching at the moment.
She has a Capricorn Moon so she is always a little serous and depressed, but she also has T Neptune (erase) conjunct her Saturn (control) and so the MS and just in general a wipe out and what she is - is SCARED of everything and who can blame her?
So when you want to throw her back, wipe her out, discard her, jolt her, whatever
(no judgement here - these are impulses you have to struggle with and your problem to manage)
you will have to censure them - control them - grow up about them - not act out... reason being that you cannot afford to lose your best friend.
Now if you do this successfully - not only do you have the pal but you have gone a long way towards having the OPTION of being part of a love relationship which would be a GAIN.
The way I see it now, you do not have this option. You have the ability to attract a man but you do not have the ability to meet some of his needs and have him meet some of yours but cmbtboots - I think you are going to change this and maintaining this relationship will be boot camp in advance of that, but with great laughs along the way.
To quote pal Dr. Z --- "better together than apart" and you will see this.
It will be undeniable to you and this is a very very very good thing for the whole of your life.
Oh yeah - for the record, I agree with you about the "forgive" but she is not there yet, and so here is your first challenge...
Your impulse is to discard her but this would be like throwing gold right out in the street, so you see what is happening here, right?
That is not how you love people.
You have to curb / control yourself. SATURN.......
Be glad about it because *something needs to change, doncha think?
If you throw this one back, you will have to go get her back, and be warned, this happened to me once when I was very young. 17 or so, and I did NOT like it.
I kept tossing my boyfriend (a Capricorn) out of our apartment. He was a great guy, tons of fun, but I would have my freedom urges and do the Italian drama banshee thing. Toss his stuff out for no good reason.
Anyway, he would load his truck with his stuff and then before he would drive off I would end the row and he would bring all the stuff back in.
Okay, so this happened 3 or 4 or 5 times and then the next time I did this, he said "Screw you... I you want me to stay, then YOU CARRY in my stuff )
So I was crying and carrying his TV and his whatever back into this little apartment. Hell it was even a Cold and Rainy Saturn Day when this happened, and that was that...
I never pulled anything like that again.
Saturn / Capricorn taught me a lesson I sorely needed to learn.
So cmbtboots - bad enough to act like this at 17 --- you don't want to suffer this kind of humiliation at this stage of life...
posted on February 18, 2001 09:03:29 AM new
Okay cmbtboots - here is some more.
For anyone thinking I am being hard on cmbtboots - this is not my intention.
The thing is that she is a powerhouse and has far more to deal with than most people, a son, bills and a clock running and so I don't think coddling is going to do her any good. In fact, I am sure of it.
cmbtboots - let's take a look at your weapon. Your formidable weapon I mean. I am talking about your Mars, Pluto, Uranus conjunction in Virgo in the 4th.
It is hugely complex, but like the other if you can grab the idea of one of the ways it works, the rest will come because your brain is BIG.
So one thing in your bunker is criticism.
Now I don't mean garden variety criticism. When you get pissed off and let go with this, people get hurt. You are not going to say things like "the blue dress may have looked better than the red", this is a whole different league. You are keenly insightful so the when you cut - it is a perfect cut. It is also not expected by the victim.
Keen insight - Pluto
perfectly critical - Virgo
out of the blue sky - Uranus
anger / temper - Mars.
Okay, so where is this thing pointed?
Well, it is pointed at your Venus. Your love, your partner, your money, your pleasure.
Shoot your gun and look who dies, but there is more.
It is also pointed at your Jupiter (luck and opportunity) and your Sun (your vital life force).
I know you see the problem and so this is why you simply MUST find a way to use your energy constructively.
See the contact is there and so this weapon is going to mix it up with Venus, Jupiter and the Sun and the potential to soar is in proportion to your potential to destroy and injure, but you must see (remember codasaurus) that your gun is aimed at your own head, and like I am saying - this thing is fully loaded, an object of mass destruction.
Okay, so how, how, how?
Well here comes Saturn and one way to start is to ask yourself before you do ANYTHING (take action / Mars)these kind of questions.
"Is this the right thing to do?" "Is this the grown-up thing to do?" "Does what I am doing have integrity?"
I think that you will find this supremely challenging - you will have to fight yourself (Mars is aimed at YOU, remember) but until you figure out how to manage this you are not going to like the end result of anything you do. This T-square dominates your life (dominate others / be dominated - see how it is) and it is just completely impossible to escape dealing with it.
Anyway - what I am saying here is that step ONE is to stop using this thing in a negative manner. Neutralize it. Once you do that, you will be able to learn to use it in a positive manner and with command and at that point you will become quite incredible, but see you have to get command of your weapon.
For your Aries - this is War 101.
Meet your weapon, learn what it can do and learn how to aim it properly before you pull the freakin trigger.
I wish that there was an EASY fix, but you might imagine by now in your life odds of that are slim, but things will get better immediately once you start to do this work. You will be fascinated for one thing. On your way to your future for another, learning for a third and so on and on and on, all kinds of things you like. Sometimes when we are waiting for someone to solve all our problems, we forget how much we thrive on work and challenge.
Good luck.
edit to fix bold
[ edited by VeryModern on Feb 18, 2001 09:19 AM ]
posted on February 18, 2001 09:22:45 AM new
cmbtboots,VeryModern just opened up a whole bunch of doors for you.Sounds like you and your friend can do pretty much anything in buisness together.
Buisness at ebay,Pretty much stinks for a lot of people.You are not alone.
The grants and Gov.backed loans are for people who cant get them otherwise.If you had good credit AI+ You would have to get a regular loan.Does not matter if you have had a bankruptsy.
There are many women and minority programs out there.Your friend has a disibility and willing to work,There is programs for her.
If you have a college close by,You might
check to see if there is any grant training classes.I went to a 2 day class for the company I told you about.And still need to get the follow up video.If anyone wants the name of the company,email me and I will give you the web address.I dont think I can list it here.Then again,The moderators may have been bored to death and not kept an eye on this thread.Then again....... [email protected]
posted on February 18, 2001 09:44:13 AM new
Good morning VeryModern,Beautiful day in Texas.Do you think Mr.Bush might have blown
it? The missle attack? While Mercury is still RX ? I think it will bite him in the backside.Retalition most unexpected.And or
the mission didnt go as planned.
I think he just started a war.
Note the highlighted Mars/Uranus/Saturn configuration in fixed signs.
Also the 8th house Moon/Pluto/Chiron in Sag (foreign).
Also, Neptune conjunct the Sun promised to deceive.
I can't think about this very well because it is chilling to me, but even a complete novice regarding event charts can catch a whiff of the deal here.
[ edited by VeryModern on Feb 18, 2001 10:15 AM ]
posted on February 18, 2001 10:53:09 AM new
for the young gal - the Sag, with the ex-boyfriend, you have a Pisces Moon and a Gemini rising. I was all set to tell you to forget about the guy.
This is my prejudice, because you are young. I do not mean to be condescending, it is just that it is not really that common to find a true partner at a young age, because we don't know ourselves very well and are often choosing by someone else's ideal having not had the time or opportunity to determine our own.
But uh...... not so fast.
I am trying to sort through it right now, but one thing for sure - if you do not wind up with the man, you will remember him always and he you. I think you could make a very happy life together if you decided that you wanted to, and if you do let this guy go, or he you - then let him go in love because he is a true part of your karma as opposed to an accidental pairing and the experience will stay with you a good long while.
Don't get me wrong - you have full choice here (so does he) and if he goes or you send him, there will be another for both of you, I am just wanting to validate your choice in being involved with him.
Very frankly, most younger people (and MANY older people too) show up to an astrologer with a disaster match wanting to know if this is their soul-mate (lol) and is not the case with you - you are having a real deal.
Let me toss some more - I punched your birthday in "1924" (uh... WRONG) and I was already assimilating when I found my error and so have to untwist and re-group.
posted on February 18, 2001 11:19:02 AM new
Claiming it...it's me everybody. If I have a Gemini rising, what does that do for the whole lies/truth thing?
[ edited by Kimbonovich on Feb 18, 2001 11:20 AM ]
posted on February 18, 2001 12:07:43 PM new
linguistics, let there be no doubt.
See, You are a Saggitarius with a Gemini rising and a PiscesMoon and a stellium in Virgo.
What this means is that you have the entire market on communication covered.
That is it, that is all of them, all the mutable signs.
Mutable signs MUTATE and COMMUNICATE and so what this means is that are HIGHLY chatty (understatement, your chart is so mutable it's a joke) and that you have and use all ways and means of disseminating information and one of the tricks up your sleeve is a lie,
BUT
I would never define you this way.
The reason is that by your very nature, you cannot be defined because you are in a constant state of flux, and I do mean CONSTANT. Your job in this life is to transfer information, and some times you have to speak the native tongue and some people speak "lie" .... don't they
You speak English, Spanish, Psychic, Lie, Blunt Truth, and then some........
posted on February 18, 2001 12:16:52 PM new
Constant? Ugh, I was hoping to be settled some time or another. Hehe, oh well...I should be used to this by now.
posted on February 18, 2001 12:51:26 PM new
No, because if you are not changing and in motion physically, you are mentally, spiritually or psychically.
You are fortunate to have your Mercury (chart ruler, plus rules all the Virgo) in Scorpio as this is a fixed sign and allows you to focus. However, it is conjunct Uranus and so subject to constant disruption which give brilliance at least intermittently, but cannot be counted on like, say a Taurus
Do you know this guy is in similar circumstances? He is a Virgo with a Sag Moon and ascendent with Jupiter in Pisces. All mutable and plus in his case, most of his chart is also in mutable houses. This is ONE (there are actually many) of the reasons you two might make it. Peas in a pod. You both have such a profound need to communicate you have to find someone who does not tire of it. You (and he) will be left by "others" who think that you just plain talk to much. Water (not Pisces) and Earth (not Virgo) primarily I mean. I don't mean this bad - I am just saying that there is such a profound focus on communication and not everyone is put together that way.
Like the dble Aquarius gal all airy and detached with the Taurus who is so tactile in the Shack Man story. This rapidly becomes hellish for both of them.
It would be like you want to talk and *he* (say a Taurus) wants to have a meal (sex) and you won't quit talking, there is a problem there, and it is not because there is anything wrong with you, but that there is something wrong with the match.
You know damned well that if someone is going to count up your words all day - that you are in big trouble. See what I mean?
So this is number one thing for you. You are a talker and so you have to team with another or someone may strangle you. No different for the Taurus. He better team with someone who wants to be touched unless he likes getting beat off (no pun) with a stick.
posted on February 18, 2001 01:15:41 PM new
Did you find the top of the other post? Anyway, ok, here's the guy situation...
He has been hurt very badly in the past, and one of those hurts was extreme...it was 3 years before he asked anybody out again, and that somebody was me. Then me, being the silly Sag that I am, did some stupid things without thinking, and was being a little too flirtatious with somebody else, (who, I had no _real_ interest in)...well, the point is, I hurt my Virgo pretty badly, and for a long time, I didn't understand where he was coming from when he wanted me to "fix" what I had done wrong...so I only made things worse by hoping the whole thing would blow over. This is why our relationship has been on-again, off-again. I really want this thing to be in our past...and, after about 7 months of us trying to deal with this thing, he has finally said that he forgives me...though we're broken up, and it will take a lot for him to be able to forget. When it comes down to it, yes, here I go with my Sag idealism...I want to make him happy, and I want to be the best darned thing that has ever happened to him...and live happily-ever-after...you know the deal. I know this isn't just a little crush...this is my first true love, and I don't want to lose him.
posted on February 18, 2001 02:47:06 PM new
I don't think you are being too hard on me. There are issues that I guess I always knew were there.
You hit the criticism thing right on the nose. I guess I always learned to fight with my words instead of my fists. I learned early if you want to cause a lasting sting then a verbal punch lasts far longer than a physical one.
When I was married and I suspected my hubby was cheating and I was so mad and hurt that I saw red. Well, I certainly could not do much to him physically so as I was packing my things and he was pitifully begging forgiveness I went for the juggler. (small penis, big butt and his drunk Republican mother). You know where people are the weakest and what hurts the most. Years later I ran into him and he still remembered every word. ouch.
Since then I have grown up in some ways, but when I am truly and deeply wounded, it is like someone else takes control of my mouth and venom spews. This is really the way I learned to fight.
[i]"Is this the right thing to do?"
"Is this the grown-up thing to do?"
"Does what I am doing have integrity?"[/i]
Nope, probably not, but it sure feels good for a minute or two then of course after I cool down I feel pretty bad, especially when I have to later apologize. PS I still do not feel too bad about what I said to the ex-husband, he was cheating after all.
