aroundtheworldtreasures
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posted on March 21, 2005 12:43:09 AM new
My husband has some serious medical problems requiring many hours of care. Several friends have offered to help post and monitor, etc. with my auctions. They have Windows 98, and ME, and so have many problems with their PCs. I have XP on mine, and would like to put XP on theirs, using my disk. Have used my disk on 3 of my home computers, registering on one computer, and just activating on the other 2 computers. I have heard that if I loaded it on more than 3 computers, would not be able to activate it on those other PCs, so after 30 days they would stop working. Also would there be a problem because the location would not be the same IP or address as my 1st PC. Cannot buy multiple copies of XP now, but could sure use a little extra money by running auctions, and others helping could allow me to do this. If unsure about this, wear might I find the answer, other that Microsoft.
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glassgrl
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posted on March 21, 2005 03:45:51 AM new
http://www.tweaktown.com/document.php?dType=review&dId=350
I've used their method before.
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replaymedia
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posted on March 21, 2005 04:32:32 AM new
Unbelievable.
You come here and ask how to steal software? And then somebody actually tells you how to do it.
Why don't you go and scam a copy off some poor eBay seller? It's just as legal and just as ethical.
There is no reason whatsoever your friends cannot monitor your auctions with the operating systems they have. They just want free copies of XP. If for some reason they NEED a free operating system, why not try Linux? It's free, and more importantly it's LEGALLY free too.
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CBlev65252
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posted on March 21, 2005 05:34:02 AM new
I agree with replay on this one. However, I do have a question. There's something wrong with the PC I'm using now and the back-up PC I have has Windows NT on it. I bought the computer a long time ago from another employer and can't get it to do anything since it keeps looking for a non-existant network and thinks it's a server. The computer was used as a server although technically, it never was. Can I use my copy of XP that came with this computer on the other one since it (the computer) does belong to me? I'd like to put it on, but I'm afraid if I do, I'll mess the back-up one up and then won't have a computer at all.
Cheryl
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replaymedia
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posted on March 21, 2005 06:20:48 AM new
Legally, that depends. Was this a retail (in the box) version of Windows XP or was this one of the bundled versions?
Legally speaking, the bundles are intended to be used only by the specific computer it came with, so no you cannot legally reuse it on a different PC.
A boxed version should be OK (at least I wouldn't have an ethical problem as long as it isn't usable on the old dead PC), but if you install it on too many PCs over the years, you still may have to contact Microsoft to have your registration renewed.
The real bottom line, ignoring any discussion of the legality of it... XP checks the internal serial number of your processor, motherboard etc. and transmits the information to Microsoft along with your XP registration number. They KNOW if you are installing one copy of XP on multiple PCs. I'm sure they really don't care if you do it once or twice, but in theory they DO know what you are doing.
It's why I use Linux. I can install one copy on every PC I own, and not only does no one care, but there's no spyware, viruses, crashes or any of the usual MS hassles.
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Replay Media - The best source for board games, card games and miniatures on the web!
http://www.replaymedia.com
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stopwhining
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posted on March 21, 2005 06:34:49 AM new
Your friends running on Window 98 should have no problem with your ebay auctions .
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Eat grass,kick ass,never go belly up!
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alldings
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posted on March 21, 2005 07:47:10 AM new
I would never advocate pirating software or anything else illegal. However,it does give you a warm gooey feeling inside to stick it to a billion dollar company once in awhile!
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Roadsmith
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posted on March 21, 2005 08:29:38 AM new
Just to add: I'm sorry to hear about your husband's medical problems and hope things get better for the two of you.
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john2005
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posted on March 21, 2005 08:47:06 AM new
A safe way to upgrade that NT machine is take the system disk out and replace it with another disk to install XP on. If you only have the XP upgrade CD it'll prompt you for the CD of a previous version of Windows. Or you could just scrub the old NT since the computer isn't useable anyway.
If you want to try to disable the NT server function you could try starting in safe mode (hit F8 when starting up for options). Then go into control panel/services and disable the server.
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fenix03
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posted on March 21, 2005 09:01:15 AM new
I would scrap NT altogether but that's just me 
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If it's really "common" sense, why do so few people actually have it?
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ewora
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posted on March 21, 2005 09:22:36 AM new
I'm using windows 98 without a problem. They shouldn't need to upgrade.
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MAH645
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posted on March 21, 2005 01:48:17 PM new
I was told by Gateway if I ever installed XP in my computer if would void any warrantees. Also once you install this you can not use anything else. It also takes alot of memory. I'd kill somebody if they put it on my computer.
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Two men sit behind bars,one sees mud the other sees stars.
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glassgrl
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posted on March 21, 2005 03:23:06 PM new
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sparkz
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posted on March 21, 2005 03:50:58 PM new
If they can't get Win98 to run on their computers, they'll never get XP to work right. XP is a resource hog of the worst kind. Their systems probably will not support it satisfactorily.
A $75.00 solid state device will always blow first to protect a 25 cent fuse ~ Murphy's Law
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stopwhining
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posted on March 21, 2005 04:09:16 PM new
so gazing in my not too clear crystal ball,there is a bunch of friends who are willing and able to help post and monitor your ebay auctions if only they can upgrade to your WINDOW XP????
Without that upgrade,they with their window 98 and ME can only flounder and watch you struggle with your Ebay listing alone??
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Eat grass,kick ass,never go belly up!
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glassgrl
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posted on March 21, 2005 04:17:16 PM new
I will answer for this person....
Quote: "They have Windows 98, and ME, and so have many problems with their PCs."
All of you....I want you to STOP and consider this for a moment.
You OWN something.
Do you really want somebody else telling you what you can or cannot do with it?
That would be the end of Ebay as we know it.
You own a coffee pot. The coffee makers intended it to be for commercial use. Do they say you cannot resell it or sell it to a home user? No.
Bill Gates has become a law unto himself - telling everybody that his software cannot be used on another machine.
If you OWN (having bought and paid for that software) then where the H*** does he get off telling you what you can or cannot do with it?
That's just my opinion.
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glassgrl
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posted on March 21, 2005 04:23:53 PM new
Let's go all the way back to Cblev.
they agreed with replay that you should not install XP on another computer then they turn right around and want to know how to install their copy of XP on ANOTHER computer (their own).
How screwed up is that thinking?
That is the SAME thing aroundtheworld was asking.
Get off your high horses.
If something came with what you bought - and I don't care if it was your computer or your car - if you pull the fender off your car - do you want Toyota saying you cannot give or SELL that fender to anyone else?
No you don't.
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ltray
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posted on March 21, 2005 04:37:38 PM new
GG read the user agreement. Do you NOT own the software! You own a license that legally enables you to use the software THEY own provided you stick to their user agreement.
It is like using a rental car. You do not own it, you agree to use it. You are not allowed to modify it or use it for a purpose for which it is not intended.
Turn the tables. What if you had a wonderful idea and marketed it, leasing it to the masses? Then one day some creep decides you had made enough money off of it, so he copies it and starts giving it away for free.
How would you feel? You were the one who developed it, spent money priducing it, have all the overhead. And then this AH comes along with a CD burner and STEALS all of your hard work. Don't tell me you wouldn't be PO'd!
Like Replay says. It is a matter of honesty. Some of us get mad if someone steals our auction pics or decription. It is the same thing only on a larger scale.
We are all tempted from time to time to do the wrong thing, just because it is easy to do. And just because someone else is doing it does not make it the right thing to do. It all comes down to our own conscience.
But the next time someone rips you off for something, large or small, take a moment and figure who you've been ripping off.
Ok, I'm thru now....
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CBlev65252
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posted on March 21, 2005 04:37:53 PM new
glassgirl
I said it was wrong to GIVE IT TO SOMEONE ELSE not to put it on another one of your computers. If you own the computers and the software, I don't think it's illegal. I could be wrong though and that's why I asked.
I agree that when you buy it, it should be yours to do as you please. But, in reality it's pirating and that's against the law. It has been for a long, long, long time. It was pirating when the first Windows product came out. I think the whole pirating thing was meant so that people don't make physical copies of a program and then sell them. However, MS took it and ran with it and because of their size and money, they've gotten away with it.
If I had a choice, I'd be back with Win 98. I've had XP since it first came out and I hate it more and more. It uses too many system resources and it slows my computer down. I refuse to install SP 2. Now, my computer is automatically restarting when I shut down. I've gotten to the point where I don't even try anymore. I just put it in hibernation.
Cheryl
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sciclone2000
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posted on March 21, 2005 04:41:36 PM new
If everyone would just put a penguin in thier box they wouldn't have to worry about this crap anymore. It really isn't that hard, Tux is pretty friendly.
Tony.
In a world without walls or fences who needs Windows and Gates?
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glassgrl
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posted on March 21, 2005 05:01:19 PM new
ltray - D
you and I will never see eye to eye on this.
when you RENT a car you rent it - you don't buy it.
I'm not RENTING XP, I bought it.
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glassgrl
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posted on March 21, 2005 05:06:18 PM new
linux is free.
mozilla is free.
Bill Gates is not the end all be all.
I don't care if you install it on your "own" computers (wait a minute - we're really renting them from ole Bill) or if you install it on your friends computer.
If you bought and paid for that widget - nobody else should be able to tell you what to do with it after you buy it.
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sciclone2000
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posted on March 21, 2005 05:09:58 PM new
Actually some of us pay for our linux distros. Of course I still use windows for some things but not for long. Its getting closer to being ready for the average computer user.
Tony.
In a world without walls or fences who needs Windows and Gates?
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ltray
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posted on March 21, 2005 05:17:22 PM new
Straight from the MS EULA...
Microsoft software is licensed to you, not sold. Under United States and international copyright laws, your right to install, copy and run Microsoft software is limited. The End-User License Agreement (EULA) contains all the rights and limitations that govern your use of Microsoft software. The EULA is a contract between you and Microsoft (or the original equipment manufacturer (OEM) if you acquired the software preinstalled on your computer system). You are required to accept the EULA in order to run Microsoft software. You should contact the software or computer reseller if you do not want to accept the EULA. Please note that your EULA does not by itself prove that you are legally licensed. The EULA is used as part of the process to determine whether you have genuine software that has been legally licensed.
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And yes, GG we will probably never agree. You have never received a paycheck that depended upon receiving those License renewals, so you don't understand that "all that money" the big guys are making is paying the salaries of the people who have invented, developed, manufactured and provide support for $100 piece of software that you so easily give away.
But you are the first one to gripe when you get a tech support engineer in India who can't answer your questions.
And the next time you take that little $5 pill that only cost the manufacturer .05 in raw supplies, go ahead and forget that it took 10 years of research and thousands of man hours to make it available to you on a daily basis.
***WARNING- The planets are in RETRO grade and tempers are subject to flair***
I'm gonna go crawl back into my hole now...
[ edited by ltray on Mar 21, 2005 05:25 PM ]
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glassgrl
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posted on March 21, 2005 05:25:37 PM new
whoo whoo I'm really scared now.
Like I said - Bill Gates is making up his own "rules" as he goes along.
you and I will just have to agree to disagree on this one.
He also said that he "has" the software to run computers with but that's not so either.
If somebody asks a legitimate question and I have the answer that nobody else will answer - then I will post the answer.
You already KNOW where my vibration is this week. Don't keep pushing that button.
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CBlev65252
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posted on March 21, 2005 05:28:09 PM new
GG
LOL! I really must get my glasses checked. I read your word "vibration" as vibrator and it put a whole new spin on your sentence. 
Cheryl
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ltray
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posted on March 21, 2005 05:32:51 PM new
But you didn't buy it, you leased it! Read the TOS
Here, feel free to use it on someone else...
[ edited by ltray on Mar 21, 2005 05:38 PM ]
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glassgrl
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posted on March 21, 2005 05:33:25 PM new
http://www.abraham-hicks.com/Knowledge/Abraham/Newsletters/QJ04/settone.html
but thanks for the giggle!
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glassgrl
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posted on March 21, 2005 05:34:40 PM new
great ltray - now you "stole and used" somebodies else's .gif that they paid good money for.
does that make you any better or less than me?
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ltray
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posted on March 21, 2005 05:39:58 PM new
hmmm, did I steal it?? It was posted on a public bulletin board. Is that stealing?? I can;t find the TOS for it....
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