Wow, again. You are right on about so much. He is so empathetic. He gets so upset if he thinks he has hurt my feelings. Once he caught me crying over bills and he came over with tears in his eyes, hugged me and said, "sorry I hurt you feelings".
Sometimes I think my heart will just explode from all the love I feel for him. I am so damn lucky to be blessed with this kid.
His preschool teacher told me that he tries to protect kids who are being picked on, although she said he won't fight back physically, but verbally lashes out at them.
I need an opinion on something that is bothering me. Since he was old enough to understand this I have taught him that hitting or hurting others is wrong, even if they hit you first. I tried to instill the idea that violence is bad. (no toy guns, swords and almost no commercial tv) Someone recently told me that he needs to learn to take care of himself, ie. fight back if necessary or he won't be able to stand up for himself and this might bring him problems later on. I just cringe at the idea him engaging in a fistfight with anyone.
any thoughts one way or the other?
[ edited by cmbtboots on Feb 11, 2001 04:01 PM ]
posted on February 11, 2001 04:08:54 PM new
VM: Hey I had an idea, you should start a dating service where you can match up people based on their birth info. I believe there are already places that do this based on sun signs, but are there any that do it based on all the exacting details that you use?
This way you can make some money on all this knowlege you are so generously sharing with all of us.
posted on February 11, 2001 04:11:24 PM new
cmbtboots - I agree with you and think your friend is wrong. He is a LIBRA from chrissakes - that is a lover and a diplomat, he is a peacemaker!
On a physical ABILITY to fight, he will have one innately if he really needs to (I doubt it - he has strong people skills) via a Leo Mars. Mars is how you fight, and in Leo, a masculine fire sign, it is well placed. Bottom line though - I don't think he is going to be picked on. People will like him.
Trust your senses as his mother. Whoever told you that is talking about *their* kid and perhaps wishing the problem was more widespread. Also, all you have to do if there is a problem is show up within sight and these little boys who thought they were going to pick on your son are going to quake and pee their pants, so what I am saying is forget about it, it is not a problem. (I mean not *your* problem ) This is good because you are busy yes/no?
posted on February 11, 2001 04:35:03 PM new
I appreciate your opinion and am glad you agree with me.
I figure that anyone that hurts my kid I will probably have to beat up personally. "don't touch me, I am telling my mom" If that won't get him beat up, nothing will. hehehe
Off topic question, you have referred to a hairdresser in some of your posts. I need help!!
I think I just did a very dumb thing. I was coloring my roots and since I have a bit of auburn in my hair that I try to minimize, I use this stuff called Red Out. It looks like blue coloring and I guess it counter-acts the red, anyway after I mixed the color, I saw I was out of the Red Out, so I got some of Mrs. Smith's liquid blue stuff (it is for laundry) and used that instead. I am now scared to see what is going to happen to my hair.
This part of my astrological chart is filed under dumb-A** aspects!!
sincerely,
Marge Simpson
[ edited by cmbtboots on Feb 11, 2001 04:37 PM ]
posted on February 11, 2001 04:49:42 PM new
The only guy around at the present is not tall enough to reach the gas petals AND he is 12 years away from his driver's license.
As for billing him for the privelege, his piggy bank is too hard to break into.
posted on February 11, 2001 04:53:44 PM new
Go in any live chat in your city and ask for a volunteer to bring you hair repair and I betcha someone does.
I am NOT serious, just making a point and the point is that you run the show.
posted on February 11, 2001 06:03:01 PM new
My hair's not blue, my hair's not blue, my hair not blue. Never been happier to sing out these 4 words in my life!~! ALTHOUGH, I never thought I would have to say these words all in one sentence.
Bad side of this, I guess the bluing stuff neutralized the color and so I sat with color on my head for an hour and it looks exactly the same as it did before I started AND this was my last tube of color. damn What a waste of $5.00 and liquid blueing. Tomorrow, I guess I'm off to the beauty supply place. At least my hair is not blue!
posted on February 11, 2001 08:23:59 PM new
Well I feel like talking about my middle husband now. This is good astrology.
I called this guy "Shack Man" as in the Batman song "da da da.. BATMAN!"
I called him this because he lived in a real live honest to goodness shack.
Why, I will elaborate later.
Now the reason I got tangled up with this guy was because of the double Aquarius pal of mine with the Libra Moon from the last thread. The one who could not decide whether or not to shave her legs so she shaved one but not the other and 6 months went by and for all I know she is still deciding now 7 years or so later.
The indecisive thing is a Libra problem.
Anyway, in the other thread I mentioned this Taurus guy she was sleeping with who would drive her insane by throwing his leg over her after sex and making her feel as if she were going to die from claustrophobia - the point being the problem with her ultra Airy self mixed with this earthy Taurus guy.
Anyway, we spotted the Taurus and Shackman (with a 3rd man so dismal I cannot even recall one thing about him) in a bar one night.
My pal was attracted to the Taurus (he had Venus in Aquarius - this was the hook for both of them) and so she wanted to approach this trio. My job was to run interference and talk to the pals, and I did not know at this time that I would have to marry one of them.
(Talk about sacrifice cmbtboots!)
posted on February 12, 2001 06:38:50 AM new
Okay, so I only have one middle husband - this is the same waspy guy from the middle of the thread.
So what is a waspy guy doing living in a shack?
Answer?
He had a Aquarius Moon.
The Moon shows the roots and Aquarius rebels and so there you go.
The other thing is that he was an audiophile.
I have know 3 SERIOUS audiophiles and all three of them have had their Moon in Aquarius.
They have an incredibly sensitized ear.
This guy's stereo cost more than his shack (by a shot).
You know those ads with the guy sitting on couch with his hair blown back from the power from the stereo? This was this guy. Do you think I am kidding?
He bought his couch based on EAR HEIGHT.
Yes.
He calculated the number of inches his ear should be from the floor in order to align with his speakers for optimum sound quality and then went to Couches-R-Us and sat on dozens - his brother following him around with a tape measure until he found a match.
posted on February 12, 2001 06:44:23 AM new
Oh...
Being an audiophile is another reason to live in a shack. I forgot to draw this line.
See, if you are going to spend tens of thousands of dollars on a stereo, you are going to want to turn it up LOUD, and so what you do if you have an Aquarius Moon, is move to a shack in the mountains where there are NO RULES or COVENANTS or NEIGHBORS and you can live in your home (Moon) in unrestricted freedom (Aquarius).
posted on February 12, 2001 11:40:24 AM new
Okay - I am back on onbonustime's son, the Marine star who had a question on the Venus Saturn, cold love thing.
I was not really making a *prediction* I was outlining a natal condition, a life challenge.
I appreciate as a parent that we want our children to get through a tough time and never have another but this is not the case for anyone anywhere - none of our children get that deal.
This Venus Saturn will affect his entire life, it is part of him.
He may deny it, (for a time) but he will never divorce it. If you have been reading the recent posts about fantasizing heavenly love that cmbtboots and I deal with it - even when it is "resolved" it is not resolved - as I said, I have to cope with my tendencies and always will. It is part of my natal condition, myself, my makeup.
Venus Saturn is part of his.
Okay... so how does it work?
First thing is that it will not mature and come out and fully live until his "Saturn return" which occurs at about 28.5 - 29.5 YO. Remember your little brothers major turning at this time? He was right on schedule. The Marine will have himself a very hard time at this age, and the more bad love/money karma he accrues between now and then, the more devastating it will be.
Okay, this is off on a tangent BUT... this is where a (his) grand trine can have a negative impact on a person's life. It is the ol' "every gift is a curse" idea.
See... because of the Grand Trine, the Marine can always escape into it where everything works for him. He leave this other thing lie because it scares him, hurts him, requires more effort than he is accustomed to expending, etc. etc. and this is to his detriment.
Here is a graphic example of this.
My early life was so completely horrendous that it is intensely uncomfortable for people to even hear about. As a result - my life eventually exploded and led me into intensive and extended therapy.
Now if I tell my story to people, they invariably express great sympathy, but they got it all wrong.
My life was so bad I had to fix it, but what if your life is good "enough"?
What if your problems are not acute enough to force attention and effort to be expended to repair them?
Then what?
Then you live a "kind of" broken life and this is a sympathetic condition from my perspective --- and proves the reverse - "every curse is a gift."
Okay - so here is a sad story.
This is not the Marine's story, it is a Venus Saturn story, and I am telling it because it is a scenario like this that he needs to work to avoid. This is one Venus Saturn story and I know many, but the elements are the same. Cold and unfeeling in love begets cold and unfeeling in love.
This is about another guy I dated briefly.
I dated him briefly just life every woman before me and every woman after me. I am one of the 1000 or 2000 or 5000 he discarded.
Here is his tale.
He was a Libra (love) rising with Venus (Love) in Libra (Love) conjunct his ascendent.
This means when he went out in the world, his first hand shake was pure VENUS. People (the collective) like the look of Venus and Venus rising is pretty, there is no doubt about that. Venus is pleasant to the collective. She is also one heck of a vain *itch.
Okay, so, too bad, very sad, same Venus is square Saturn, and so this is what happens.
Keep in mind that there is very little to pay in the form of karma prior to 28 YO.
This pretty guy graduates college, never mind the profession, I do not want to id him (hey... just TRY to find him in the stack of hundreds of men I have dated, lol) and gets a job.
He works for about 5 months and is given the opportunity to purchase the business where he works.. an established profitable Mom and Pop enterprise for 25 years. The couple who owns it wants to retire and he buys this business for a SONG. This is a gift to him. He is about 23 YO or so. This couple had no children and so he was given a favorite son opportunity but rather than be grateful and humble - he decided he was special.
How special?
Reeeeeeal special.
Okay fast forward about 3 years and he is now a millionaire.
Pretty lucky, wouldn't you say?
He moves moves to Colorado and buys another business (same type) and a home in one of the Colorado Mountain towns.
He is living the life.
Single guy, good, no great looking, lots of bucks, expert skier on and on and on but you know what?
This guy is cold. He is cold as ice.
He knew how ridiculously fortunate he was to have lucked into the circumstances he was in but it never occurred to him to give anything to anyone. He was a miser, and hoo boy was he arrogant. "Look at the big muscles in my legs, check me out." He was so pretty, so fine, so the bomb, so rich, so evvvverything that no one was good enough for him.
Can you see how this man is slowly becoming repulsive?
So sad, so vain.
Okay, so property values in the Colorado town explode and this guys millions multiplies.
He reacts by gripping his money tighter. This boy does not know how to give neither love or money. Where you used to have to be a playboy centerfold to date him, you now must be a rich playboy centerfold and believe me you will still not make the cut - just give him a week....
Now what happens in this town over time is that it morphes, he is no longer "big dawg" on the mountain.
Now EVERYONE in the town has money and he is just one of them, and on the low end at that.
It is Hollywood that is moving in, ya know, and there are no LOCAL bucks that can compare.
He takes a hit here and there is more.
Seems he has exhausted the local women.
No one wants him.
Why?
Because he is cheap.
He is cheap in love, and cheap with money. This vain guy who has it all and wants more. He is of the idea that because he is a pretty guy with money, he should only become involved with someone else of his stature, and he counts every dime, his and theirs. He has forgotten that he was launched due to someone else's generosity.
Okay so he can screw the tourist girls but what happens is that this begins to hurt more than feel good.
The Saturn wound is maturing. It starts like an ache but eventually it cripples.
He is aging and he want to be loved now.
Ut oh.
No one loves this guy.
Well it seems just deserts doesn't it? He has never loved anyone, so why SHOULD anyone love him?
Question that does not even need to be answered.
2000 chances and no one was ever good enough.
So what happens next?
He moves down from the mountain to the city.
He does this because he has used up all the women in the small town.
He needs a bigger pool. It does not occur to him that he has a problem. He is a rich, good looking guy with muscles and good clothes and the problem from his perspective is that there is no one in this small town good enough for him, sophisticated enough to see that he is superior to all everywhere.
So what happens is his money dwindles.
He cannot buy another biz in the city (none for sale - luck ran out!) and so invests in another arena that is not so fortunate. His net worth shrinks.
Saturn is taking him down.
He is aging also. Don't get wrong, he is still pretty, but there are prettier boys in the gym now for sure and he is acutely aware of this and it hurts.
The final insult?
Impotence.
Yes.
This is the end of the story.
This guys entire fate would have been different if he had taken the cure.
The cure for a Saturn wound is Jupiter.
Give and give BIG and give regardless of race or whatever. Give because giving is the bomb.
If Venus Saturn holds their card close to the their chest they will be left with their cards which will eventually turn to dust.
onbonustims - Yes - this is about relationships / the partner, not the family and if I were him and knew what I do now, when I was him now, I would never degrade or consider another person discardable from this moment on.
He needs to give in love.
If YOU are kind to his girlfriend, this does NOT pay his bill. This is about HIM.
I think you can see the shades of your son in the story above.
Humility in relationships or Saturn will take him to his knees eventually and this is a guarantee.
To me, he is in particular danger BECAUSE the rest of his life is so fortunate, and the other part of the end of this scene is that the longer it goes, the more needy and greedy for love a person becomes and the most impossible it gets for them to get their needs met.
Like the guy above.
As a woman, from the minute you meet him you have your plate full trying to tell him that he is lovable. He is so hungry for this (at 40+ YO) and it becomes very hard to do after you know him a week and find that in fact he really isn't very loveable, and besides that will never FEEL that way no matter. You can't get rid of him fast enough and he feels the same but double because he is a week older now and even tougher out there...
Now since they cannot get the love they want, the last thing they are going to do is give anyone else any, and there is the vicious circle.
See what I mean?
"This is serious" said Pooh
posted on February 12, 2001 12:03:46 PM new
Hi VM! Just wanted to let you know I am still here and reading every word. I am always so amazed at how right on you seem to be.Still trying to sort through all you told me.
I am still trying to work up to getting out and finding that job. I cannot seem to get up the nerve to do it plus I can't figure out what to do.
Maui I am envious of your new job! [mostly of your bravery in getting out there and finding one!]
posted on February 12, 2001 12:20:56 PM new
Hi rawbunzel, thanks for posting. Maui - on the ebay thread, I wanted to say that people who were reading were envious and seems it's true. You should be very proud..
I am still on this mountain guy.
The cold one I mean, not the crazy one
I just want to make sure I am clear.
See this guy at 44 or 46 is not stupid.
It is not like he thinks he is going meet someone and be loved tomorrow. He has no hope of that, and the point is that HOPE is a function of Jupiter which is the thing he forgot to cultivate and so he has no access to hope, luck, vision, etc.
Saturn without Jupiter is hopeless.
This guy would nab a woman's attention and never stop looking for the next one for even an hour because he knew damned well she was just moving through. "She" whoever she was would never stay with him and love him, or him her and so there you go. He plans to fail.
50 years on the planet and never a partner's love. This is not the fate to aspire towards!
Saturn needs Jupiter, and Jupiter need Saturn.
posted on February 12, 2001 04:21:21 PM new
Good afternoon VeryModern. Still here
When I am not here.One of my oldest friendships is in trouble.Ms.Penny has fought
cancer since 1986.She and I became friends at sea in 75,She is a perfect friend,A virgo..
For the first time since the cancer has made
her body its home,She has confessed she is
afraid.The new cancer area is the underlineing of her brain.The endless chemo
treatments has weakened her strenghth and spirit.The Sag in me keeps trying to boost her spirits and tells her there is a new treatment just around the corner,All that scorpio in me tells me soon... I have to walk her thru death.It seems to me,every since my friend moved to Colorado,the cancer has been more agressive and I told her so.The cancer showed up while she was in Maine(breast)Now
it is hitting every function of her body.Ms.
Penny has a wonderful boyfriend,He is a sparks on the ships(radio officer)and will be back home in 2 weeks.(month on month off work
schedule)Would Pennys birthdate show a problem with where she is living now?I already started my little white lie,I told her you were very good at pin pointing problem areas of the body by astrology.And so she is trying to find out her birth time.Just wanted to check in with you,And check with you, if you would or could find this info with her birthdate.My friend is too young to go.Any information would be so appreaciated.
posted on February 12, 2001 04:28:06 PM new
Oh god, junque...that's awful. I'm sorry...you must be feeling terrible. You'll keep her hoping though, and that's a good thing.
posted on February 12, 2001 05:04:06 PM new
aw junque, damnit. I am so sorry for you and for her.
Are you thinking that her location is to her detriment?
Astrocartography is the branch of astrology that addresses that and I know very little, I am sorry. I will help anyway I can though, and I know a boatload about death and dying.
If you send her data
(even just the birthdate if she can't find the time, but let her look for her certificate. If you are facing death thinking about birth is appropriate and helpful)
I will try to write something for her and you can pass it on or not based on your judgement if it would serve her.
Also, where is she in Colorado? I live here and I would pay her a visit if I thought there was something I could offer.
posted on February 12, 2001 05:45:10 PM new
VeryModern,Penny lives in Grand Junction.It
may be too far from you and thankyou so much for that offer.Penny would have welcomed you
with open arms,A friend of a friend can do that.Penny knows she was born(or thinks)around 7 but
does not know if it was am or pm.Her birth home was Lewiston Maine Sept.4 1947.If there is anything showing as a weakness that can be turned around,I will get it to her right away.I worry that she is in a higher altitude
and may have a harder time getting oxygen in
the blood stream,Organs may be choking off.
Cancer cant live in oxygen.She has started
drinking vit.O dailey to add oxygen,Hopefully it will boost the blood flow.Ms.Penny sent me
a very lengthy thankyou card for friends.
I took it as a good by.Im not letting her out that easy!
posted on February 12, 2001 05:50:29 PM new
Hi TOKE Sometimes we have to remind people to keep hanging on.Her biggest problem is having me as a friend.
posted on February 12, 2001 06:43:27 PM new
Okay junque - I am just going to auto - write and see what I get.
First thing that pops out is the T Uranus in sq her Saturn (fear) Pluto (death) conjunction - triggering the fear she is experiencing now.
My first thought was that this was a good thing because perhaps the fear was just fear.
The next thing I saw is that she has Jupiter in Scorpio which PROTECTS from death ---- I imagine this is why she has not succumbed for these years where a mere mortal would have
Of course - her Jupiter (@21 Scorpio) is conjunct all your Scorpio, and namely your VENUS and so this is no kidding - the best of friends, terrific benefit to each other. Seeing this - I ache for you, because if she dies you will suffer an extraordinary loss.
Your other impressions are correct.
Your cheer does her much good. Your love (Venus) activates her Jupiter (protection) so keep doing what you are doing! If she is to die, then you will most definitely ease her on her journey.
Like this...
Your Venus (pleasant, loving) conjunct her Jupiter (journey) in Scorpio (death, and also rebirth / back from the edge)
KEEP LOVING HER, your love is a jackpot to her.
Okay - this is not for sending, this is for you. (or for ignoring, or for whatever you want to do with it).
There is a chance that T Uranus in Aquarius hitting her Jupiter in Scorpio will trigger her death. As I think you know, Uranus is unpredictable, but does make for sudden happenings and is squaring her Scorpio. It could also signal an unexpected rally - but I just felt I should tell you this - I do not want to put a bunch of false hope out there.
At the same time, it squares your Venus and so you see the set up here, and no way to tell which way it goes.
I do not study "death" but have heard many astrologers who do state that Jupiter T is involved at the time of death. It seems death has to do with leaving and expanding your horizons which sits well with me.
Do understand that if she passes in this time (weeks, not months or years) she will be getting FREED - this is the function of Uranus, and it is not negative. Jupiter and Uranus spell "free to travel" not "awful happening".
Okay - I cannot tell body stuff without a birthtime and the ascendent, but she has a stellium in Virgo, and Saturn from Gemini is going to come to square it all this year, so if she does not take the exit (which she will be offered by Uranus) she will have opted to stay and work to live and she will be made to do this. What I mean is that there is no miracle cure, she will have difficulty she will have to endure, but this DOES NOT mean I don't think she can survive. It does mean that she is likely to be under pressure all year.
Okay - I have to go back the sudden dying.
If this occurs - she will not be afraid.
It will be like she blinks (Uranus is fast) and there is a door she can pass through and Jupiter (a horse than can take her somewhere marvelous).
Jupiter in Scorpio promises a good death whenever it comes, and these are the kinds of images to offer her if it comes to this. A highminded death, a fortunate death, a spiritual death. Death as a journey to new vistas - how could it possibly be anything but?
Do not think (or let her think) that death is final. She would just be traveling on the worst part of it is that you will
miss her if she goes.
{{{{{junque}}}}}
posted on February 12, 2001 06:56:12 PM new
Dear Friends of the Full Moon~(what else can I call you all?!?!)
I have been away from here for awhile. I sat down to read and catch up. Rocker is a treasure, as are you all. And I am so sorry to hear about Penny, JunqueMama.
VM, you wondered how I was doing about 200 posts ago. Well, I have spent the last weeks being sick as I have made a huge change involving getting off a prescription causing many side effects. Maybe this is part of my purging, I hope so.
I have to tell you that I am fighting against making my great changes with all my power. I know that this is a once in 20 year thing. I know that my hand is being forced from powerful outside forces, and yet still, I cannot let go of it all. It is just like you said about the drunk driver having to face terrible consequences before they STOP! I am that person right now, and it does not feel good at all. I just keep believing that something is going to drop down from the sky and turn the switch inside of me. I seem incapable of flipping it myself, and I am beginning to see that I am running out of options.
It is so huge that I need all my energy just to function. It is amazing - time passes and I am not even sure what I have been doing.
Hope this is going to get better. I am almost in tears thinking this opportunity is going to pass right by me and I am too damn stupid to fix this.
posted on February 12, 2001 07:17:02 PM new
hey mimigigi - ease up on yourself (and glad to hear from you
Everything is happening like it should. It is big, it is in your face, and you just made something happen when you posted to this board.
You are not stupid and you are not going to miss your chance.
1 week - come back and tell us how it's better because it will be. You are afraid and that is all. Very soon, you will begin to work for your vision and when you get started nothing will derail you.
posted on February 12, 2001 07:25:32 PM new
oh and mimigigi - getting off the drug is part of taking control. See, you are getting something done. You have the ring in you hand, you just don't quite fathom it yet. You will though, and you are gonna like how it feels.
Hang in there and scan the horizon. Visualize what you want and work one step at a time to make it real. One step will get you started. Just take one step and commit to taking another the minute you feel safe.
posted on February 12, 2001 08:27:18 PM new
mimigigi - one more quick note about how goats climb mountains.
They do not run up them at break neck speed.
The put one little hoof on a craggy ledge and stand on a wobbly leg and then wait until they regain control. Only when they are stable at their new height do they take another step.
They climb slow, but progress is made and confidence created and this is how they get from the bottom to the top. It is not glamorous, but it is very very real.
) This is good because you are busy yes/no?