posted on February 10, 2001 08:37:49 AM new
Morning (afternoon) rocker! Sorry if I slipped and wrote "man" - anyone interested in Gilligan's Ginger is after the quintessential female
On the Scorpios - take it or leave it, but this may apply...
You may be better off with the opposite sign - Taurus, ruled by Venus and here is why.
You are basically a Scorpio yourself. As a matter of fact, you are a Scorpio's Scorpio. My point is that you may be projecting all the power that is YOURS onto the "other". They are sexy, powerful, alluring, etc. and you are powerless and perhaps even at the mercy of them.
The real deal is that when you take your (considerable) energy out of the equation, this ultra powerful person drops like a stone. You do not see this though and so the memory of their power is what stays with you, and the bleeding of course.
What I am trying to say it that YOU are a complex intense piece of work and instead of getting involved with another same, a simple person (Taurus) may be just the salve. There is a inherent compliment there and in your case, you have your Moon in Taurus, and Virgo and Cap in your chart - all earth signs and so an easy match. This is also where your grand trine lies and so people with planets that conjunct it are quite fortunate for you. This would be early Taurus (April, early May) I mean.
Taurus will not devastate you (sorry!) but brings some very fine gifts to the table. Number one is that they love a real person. Every wart, every hair, 10 more pounds, or whatever. You can get old, cut your hair, sleep in, whatever. This gives a very nice feeling to loved. Security. That is Taurus's game. They are loyal, steady and they do not play destructive games.
The idea here is that if you have to cope with a swirling pit (and you do) then team up with someone less pressured in that way. Also, I don't necessarily mean a lover. Find Taurus anywhere you can and observe because they know all about love. Taurus wakes up in the morning loving and goes to sleep at night loving and love all day long in between.
Try it!
Oh.. and as I have written earlier -- Taurus is FASCINATED with Scorpio energy which exude.
note - this is not meant to be negative to Scorpio. My two oldest friends are Scorpio!
posted on February 10, 2001 08:59:29 AM new
VM, your comments concerning Scorpios, that basically you love them or you hate them - are they general comments, or specifically Scorpio as he/she relates to Rocker?
In the shower this morning (water-assisted meditation), I realized that my two closest (female) friends and my greatest antagonist (also female) are all Scorpios.
posted on February 10, 2001 09:29:40 AM new
Silk Moth - that is a good question. I meant specific to Rocker (the lying Scorpio part) when I was writing based on his/her specific chart, but what you describe is typical for the sign.
Scorpio is a raw core of power. In general they do no form superficial relationships (unless the rest of the chart is full of air signs and even then - they will segregate... FLUFFY friends (utterly discardable) from the real deal).
When a Scorpio comes into your life - prepare to be penetrated. You will not have the shred of secret left. Now whether the Scorpio uses there energy to empower you or to deconstruct you and suck your power is up the individual(s) involved, and many times it is a bit of both - this is the suck and repel thing.
Back in the thread the gal who lifted the code of the answering machine..
She was a Scorpio (Moon) who was bleeding everyone around her to death.
OTOH, my best pal B, as a music instructer can see every kid naked and so knows exactly what, when, how to say or do something in order to force the kid to soar and as a result the kids go in parade style from the barrio to the symphony.
That's Scorpio.
When you meet one, it is meant to be but if you are meeting them and getting repeatedly devastated (this looked likely in Rockers case) then you best beware.
Now Rocker, I will tell you what you got from those Scorpios that you probably don't realize...
It is via losing your power that you find it.
Own it, use it or someone else will and they will be a Scorpio, have no doubt.
Here is a little tale.
Once I was dating this Scorpio and we were going down fast and I really did not want to let go of this guy.
Reasons were complex, they always are, but one major reason was the sex.
I am hugely motivated by sex and I did not want to give up the sexual relationship. See, I thought he was the bomb in this arena.
Guess what I found out?
It was ME who was the bomb!
He was good because I was good.
Hellllllllllo!!!!
hahaha.
Rocker, I think you have a situation akin to this I just described.
I can have great sex anytime I want.
It is my energy that he was using
[ edited by VeryModern on Feb 10, 2001 09:46 AM ]
posted on February 10, 2001 10:04:34 AM new
Rocker - it just dawned on me where the man thing came from.
When I wrote that, I was no referring to a lover. I was referring to an entity that hands you a bit you need. This occurs when you have a Saturn transit. Look for the authority figure - one that makes you feel a bit "small" and insignificant. They are not cruel mind you... They are wise but they don't coddle. The message in some form is always "grow up."
Examples follow.
Like during one of mine I met this Capricorn who said to me this - that changed me life.
"XXXX, you are nothing but a mother looking for kids."
I had no children at the time and thought I was highly aware of myself and so and I wanted to punch him, but he was right and a few years later I found him on the internet and emailed him a picture of myself with my daughter which brought him great joy. How could I have ever been this out of touch (I am massively happy being a mother) - it is a wonder.
As another example, when I was 17 my boyfriend (an alcoholic, much older than me ... this was my MO cmbtboots) got in an accident and gave a women brain damage. She had three children. This guy was a mess, but I was not. The problems were his and I was there trying to help and save without any consideration for myself at all.
Anyway, as part of the process he was in court ordered therapy and this guy (the PhD) asked to talk to me. What he said specifically is "I want to talk to the 17 YO."
I rode 3 buses to get to his office (no car) and spent 15 minutes of the allotted time before he called the "session"
He stood up and leaned over his desk, in close and said low and slow like John Wayne...
"XXXX, you are very intelligent. I want you to go home and get your stuff and get away from this guy TONIGHT"
Rocker - that is exactly what I did.
Years later my path (he was a Scorpio btw) crossed this guys again and all I can say is I made the right move (Cha?)
Point is that these guides can save you a lot of time and grief.
posted on February 10, 2001 11:44:42 AM new
Morning rocker
Silk Moth, I just wanted to add...
It is not that Scorpio is all bad or all good. Any Scorpio you meet has immense potential for both, and a job on their hands managing their power. The same one that helped you may have burned me alive 3 years back.
The other thing to understand is that it is an illusion to think Scorpio rules the zodiac, is the most powerful, etc. They are the most powerful in their realm, but each sign "beats" the one it follows and so Sag beats Scorpio.
How?
Scorpio can be holed up, withholding their energy, whatever Scorpio tricks, and guess what sag does?
Hops the fence and heads ISO of fun and adventure.
The Scorpio can twist till the cows come home - sag knows how to LEAVE.
Just to answer the obvious question... Pisces is the last sign and have everyone beat BUT...
the zodiac goes in a circle and Pisces is baffled by first sign Aries!
Aries = Me! Me! Me!
Pisces has to try live while constantly offering pieces of themselves and so looks at Aries in awe...
Space Junk.
I love it.
posted on February 10, 2001 11:45:24 AM new
Oh I just wanted to point out - I mean no offense to any Scorpios. As VeryModern has already pointed out, it is just a Leo/Scorpio thing, or MY thing in particular - Scorps and I DON'T MIX. It is usually a power struggle. Something you might find interesting VM as it relates to what you have pointed out to me: Last spring I was looking for groups/support to network with regarding my "gender-different" orientation. I went to a Transgender group and met a brilliant and beautiful woman - who I did not know at the time was a post-op transsexual. (Meaning she had been born male-bodied and had already had her Sex Reassignment Surgery.) This was my last girlfriend, the one who lasted 4 months who I broke up with in August. Although her birthday fell on my FAVORITE holiday!! - Halloween!!! - Uhoh I knew the Scorp thing was dangerous for me. We did have much happiness in those 4 months, but the down side was the power struggle, and Scorpian's sting did not feel right to me. I was sad to end it, as I still love this woman very much (we are great friends now) - but as my therapist pointed out, it is possible she brought out & encouraged me on issues which I had failed to see clearly IN MYSELF before I met her. She understood me for ME - accepted and loved me with all my gender confusion. She even thought it was really neat - and attractive. She helped me to find more self-acceptance in this area. Once I was over the intial sadness of the break up, I continued to explore these gender issues more fully. I see it this way: Even the "failed" relationships are not a failure. At the risk of sounding hokey, I have to say I REALLY believe we learn something extremely valuable every time. "When the student is ready, the teacher will appear."
posted on February 10, 2001 11:54:23 AM new
rocker - I note that you showed up on this board gender non-specific and that you have been completely accepted and respected across the board. That tell me that this is a great group, but it also tells me that you must be doing your real magic because otherwise you would be running into walls left and right - right?
So this is why I figure that you are closer than you think.
EVERYONE likes you the way you are!
posted on February 10, 2001 12:06:15 PM new
Good morning VeryModern! (It is 3 p.m. but I am still waking up, therefore, it is morning.)
That tell me that this is a great group
YOU SAID IT! I just love this group - does that explain why I am here 24/7? LOL! (My new obsession. You KNOW I always need one.) Seriously, it is amazing to me... SOOOO many really brilliant and funny people all here in one place!
but it also tells me that you must be doing your real magic because otherwise you would be running into walls left and right - right? EVERYONE likes you the way you are!
Ahhh shucks VM Thank you - yes I believe you are right. It is a GREAT feeling.
posted on February 10, 2001 12:20:08 PM new
Personally, in my own humble opinion, Im very glad that Rocker chose to visit AW and I stumbled into her path over in EO while chatting with Execgirl and her problem bidders that cant read, lol. AND, Im eccstatic that VM is here too. Instead of this hesitation I used to have with some posters, I now feel I "know" them a bit better after reading VM's posts about them, and they "know" me alittle better also. I think this place is totally cool, and it takes people like the ones here NOW to make it so. It attracts even more people, and to me, I think we all be cool
posted on February 11, 2001 12:48:56 AM new
VeryModern - I am up to page 12 here now LOL! (If my computer weren't diesel powered and so sloooooooow loading, I might have gotten much farther!) Ya know, I have two books lined up I want to read, but instead I am drawn to this thread!! I can't stop reading reading reading your posts here! Anyway, now my eyes are starting to close so I thought I would stop in and say goodnight. I hope you are sleeping well and resting that brilliant mind of yours. I will be back to read more tomorrow!
Sweet dreams.....
Rocker
posted on February 11, 2001 10:44:58 AM new
This is for my hair gal - "onbonustime" regarding her son... "punk ass jerk" turned "Marine rising star"
Now the thing about this kid is that he is always going to be alright.
Always.
It is not as if he will not have some struggles, it is just that he is going to be alright before during and after.
Sound like a charmed life?
It is in many ways.
Let's see...
Some of you might of thought I was a little rough on the kid.
Name calling and whatnot, but see this kid was really on a tear.
Forget "hair lady", he has been raised with privilege. He has both parents who are utterly devoted to each other and their children. He has been provided everything he could have ever wanted or needed and then some. Not because this is a filthy rich family, but because his parents strive. Always have, always will. He has had opportunity to travel internationally, this, that, the other, AND a good haircut, so I say "quit yer bitchin'!"
Okay -- so why so lucky?
First thing is people like him. This is pretty much the case everywhere he goes everyone he meets. Big grin, gift of gab, brilliant with the #*!@. He has a Sag rising with Neptune conjunct which means he can obscure himself if he wants to. Show people what they want to see, or what he wants them to see, and it is easy to see how dangerous this is if this kid decides to put his ability to use for ill. Sag rising also gives terrific protection to the physical body, and ruler Jupiter is in Scorpio
He also has a Grand trine from his Sun Mercury conjunction in Aquarius (brilliant intellect and can work a room) in the 2nd house (Venus/Taurus --- oh so lovely) to his Gemini Moon in the 6th (Gemini = Mercury, 6th house = Virgo = Mercury, grand total = SMART!!!!) trine Mars in Libra (how he gets what he wants --- Libra smooooooth control.
With Libra Mars you are doing their bidding because they asked so sweeeeetly. How UN-demanding is that LOL!
Okay, so the point of this is that he can live his Sun and satisfy his Moon via the trine very easily and via the link up with Mars this is always active. Result is that he FEELS good. What this did (in the past) is give him the ability to wreak havoc in all directions and suffer virtually no personal repercussions, and this is what got me so pissy.
He is holding all these cards and instead of appreciating them, he is walking around arrogant and smart ass and using his considerable intellect to injure people (his parents) or manipulate (everyone he met) besides being unspeakably rude.
How lucky is this kid?
Try this?
He gets in traffic trouble for the umpteeth time, I don't remember but his mother tells me that his court date coincides with a tennis tournament. (yes, he is tennis star - Sag athletics / outdoor sports).
So I am thinking this is good. He has to miss the tournament.
Could this be a "consequence" to his behavior?
Well no.
The COURT CALLS and reschedules.
It just happens.
Now somebody slap me, this is what happened over and over and over, and what happened with the kid is that he became even more obnoxious.
It was chilling.
See, there is so much potential that if he did not straighten - we (society) were looking at a unstoppable psychopath. Like in some testoerone movie, energizer bunny that just keeps coming and coming.
I gotta say - this was a terror situation of the real kind. This was not a kid acting out - he is a force of nature on a path of complete destruction and screw you if you were in the way.
Do you feel for his mother yet?
I did.
She had to clutch it up and up and up and up as her darling kid with all this potential "experimented" (this was during his Uranus transit to his GRAND TRINE) with a motive to shock and disturb every hour on the hour for more than a year.
She hung in.
onbonustime is an awesome human being, there is no doubt about it.
Okay, so the kid straightened up and he is now SOARING in the Marines. He is unrecognizable from his old self. The Military is a supremely good choice of career although I doubt it is permanent.
On the military, he has a packed 10th house (Capricorn house / Leader). Mars (war) on the midheaven (career) conjunct Saturn (exalted in Libra, and in it's own house) conjunct Pluto.
I could very easily see him in politics. Boy can this kid "speak".
onbonustime, please tell him to go to Toastmasters. He will pick up skills there that he will put to use later.
Mark my words.
So where is his challenge?
He does have one, a big one and it is in love.
onbonustime his discarding of these girls is a facade.
He is terrifically afraid of being hurt, and this is how he controls.
He may choose a girl who is completely beneath him, so that he is safe, and invariably he dumps them whoever they are before they can dump him. He has been quite cruel and rejecting in love matters (Saturn sq Venus) but this is gonna turn on him and become very very painful at some point in his life (not 10 years --- uh... soon).
You would be wise to encourage, and he would be wise to take a much more mature look at how he relates in these types of relationships, and the sooner the better. He is COLD in love and he is going get COLD right back and this gives a COLD heart which will taint his entire life. This means no more laughing when he makes comments that are cruel and unfeeling to other people. It ain't funny. He has a double whammy here. Saturn is in Capricorn (cold in love) square Saturn (same thing now twice as bad) also square Pluto - destructive.
This is the bottom line...
His body is good, his mind is good, his mood is good, his life energy is good, his discipline is good BUT his love nature is afraid, repressed withholding, and cold and his life challenge will be to learn to give and receive love (from a partner).
Otherwise?
Bad marriage, sad marriage, deprived of love / marriage ow! ow! ow!
As for what is coming up --- the homesick is a Saturn transit to his Gemini Moon (home) and will intensify into the mid year.
You may see a touch of depression and when ever there is a Saturn transit it will set off his natal Saturn Venus trouble (what I just went through above), and so look for some painful lesson in love.
Saturn is like a old man's knee that aches when it gets cold... Cold front coming in and the love thing starts to ache. This is also the signal that it is time and opportunity to work on this.
What can you do?
Next time he says something disrespectful about some girl - don't laugh. You are teaching him how NOT to love.
Saturn is the parent, that is you, so get busy raining on his parade
If this is not clear, I will spell it out - you know I will. The high and low expression.. but onbonustime, believe me. This is important.
last note - just in general to everyone -- this kid is POST Uranus transit and note how he is in a completely new land - heading for his future and he will never go back.
For all of you enduring the chaos at the moment, it is positive change this dramatic that you have to look forward to.
posted on February 11, 2001 12:43:48 PM new
I just wanted to add onbonustime - that his career is going to continue to flourish and be stable and support him.
He gets a new life end of 2003. Around / by Christmas 2003 he will have a profound life change and this will be in the works most of 2004.
He will come to power, either via his career or possibly he we will partner with someone immensely powerful (or both). In whatever case, his old way of being will be wiped out, a new life of power rising the likes of which he has never seen before. It is in him now, dormant and he is not even aware, but when it comes to life it will be spectacular.
meantine - work on the love thing. It's is imperative.
posted on February 11, 2001 01:59:22 PM new
Hi VM,
Saw your picture on the roll call thread. You are very pretty, funny, I think I pictured you as older because I are so wise and smart. Thanks again for doing my chart.
Prison inmates? Not in this life-time.
Would you mind if I sent you my 4 year's birth info? I am very interested in perhaps which direction to steer him in and things I need to watch for throughout his life.
posted on February 11, 2001 02:18:06 PM new
thanks cmbtboots, you're very attractive yourself!
On the convicts - I hope you see what I mean. These women get involved with them and they just pine away. The thing with Pisces and the 12th house is "divine discontent". Ohhhhh... the beloved. Such marvelous woe.
I had a therapist once who told me that my IQ dropped 50 points every time I got involved with a man.
Well, this was funny as hell, but also quite true. I don't go that route anymore, but I still want to now and then.
If your Venus is not tied up with Neptune, then you have no idea the level of ecstasy our imaginations can reach. Most people cannot see why a women would be in love with a lifer in prison but I know exactly what they are doing / feeling, and it's name is "divine discontent".
posted on February 11, 2001 02:22:55 PM new
Silk Moth - I gotta say.
This has got to be the best way to learn astrology.
My husband and I have been talking about this. You can read in a book that Gemini has a dual lives and say "what the heck does that mean."
Or you can read Gemini Hell and say "OH!" and immediately access people that you know who live that way.
Anyway we decided that this was like absorbing astrology and much kinder than STUDY.
We also decided that I am good at this and I am currently trying to figure out just what that mea
posted on February 11, 2001 02:28:55 PM new
It seems the older that I get the more I have a need to dominate the men I am with, not necessarily sexual (sometimes though).
ie. making someone get up in the middle of the night to go buy me a candy bar or bottled water. Do what I say, or leave.
Anything in my chart that may explain this or is it particular to the charts of those I am with?
I am trying to find my son's birth certificate for the birth time. I can't remember if it was am or pm. Funny how pain can make one totally block out these details.
posted on February 11, 2001 03:04:35 PM new
VeryModern, yes, this is like learning law from a professor who tells stories about his famous cases instead of requiring student to memorize citations and write briefs.
I am and have always been a very intuitive observer of people. What I am now attempting to do is find matchpoints between psychology and astrological traits and tendencies.
Instead of, "Uh, oh, watch out, there are socipathic tendencies possible with this type of behavior," it's learning to associate it with Gemini Hell and how to read the same behaviors in the aspects and signs and houses.
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not SilkMoth anywhere but here
[ edited by SilkMoth on Feb 11, 2001 05:58 PM ]
posted on February 11, 2001 03:09:03 PM newie. making someone get up in the middle of the night to go buy me a candy bar or bottled water. Do what I say, or leave.
cmbtboots - I would have to say that a situation like that has to do with both people most definitely.
For you it is just another expression of your T-square - an attack on Venus (love)
Like this:
Mars, Pluto, Uranus conjunct in the 4th house - square Venus - opposed Saturn
Mars (Aries - barks orders)
Pluto (power)
Uranus (for shock value - unexpected - an experiment)
4th house (CARDINAL - means the boss)
HARD ANGLE to Venus
This kind and benevolent and delusional and dreamy and tricky and witty love you have, also FANTASY.
square 10th house Saturn
More control here / Cardinal planet, Cardinal house and motivated by fear of rejection.
Like I originally said - this thing is very very complex.
On one hand you could get very rich very quick working as a dominatrix. There would be a line out your door .
I don't mean anything by this - it is just an observation and ONE expression. If you opted NOT it would be because of the same configuration - a concern about what people would think. (also why you opted not to pose...)
Part of you wants approval from the public - another part of you quite frankly could not possibly care less.
It is a dilemma.
Part of you wants a relationship, another part wants free, another part wants to inflict great pain, another part want to have great pain be inflicted, another part wants to parent in a relationship, another part wants to be the cared for child, another part wants to sacrifice themselves in a generous and highhanded way, another part wants to deny another love and another part expects love to be denied and so rejects first, and another part wants to be saved.
What to do?
What do you want to do?
You are a person with full command, there is no doubt about that. You will be running your own show.
On the "other" they very likely have a similar configuration to yours and are just doing their side of it.
Like the person who breaks the law and the cop who chases them, or the fact that it is generally men with power who pay to be dominated so that they experience the loss of power.
IOW - you are living your life (and good at what you do )
If you like the result then you don't have a problem.
If you do not like the result then you are going to have a hell of a job on your hands, because this is will take more than a light fare tweak to master, and again - step one is to meet and greet your various abilities and understand their motivations.
posted on February 11, 2001 03:17:10 PM new
That is weird that you used the term "Bark orders" because after I ended my last serious relationship (the guy was lazy and lied a lot) he ran into one of my friends and told her that I always "barked orders at him."
dominatrix?? There's an idea, that I KNOW I could do. I'm serious
posted on February 11, 2001 03:27:25 PM new
[i]On one hand you could get very rich very quick working as a dominatrix. There would be a line out your door .
I don't mean anything by this - it is just an observation and ONE expression. If you opted NOT it would be because of the same configuration - a concern about what people would think. (also why you opted not to pose...)[/i]
If there was a way to do it where no one would know about it...
Part of you wants a relationship, another part wants free, another part wants to inflict great pain, another part want to have great pain be inflicted, another part wants to parent in a relationship, another part wants to be the cared for child, another part wants to sacrifice themselves in a generous and highhanded way, another part wants to deny another love and another part expects love to be denied and so rejects first, and another part wants to be saved.
Are you sure you don't know me personally? It is almost frightening that our birthdate, time we are born and our birthplace reveal so much about who we are.
One thought might be for employers to have a birthchart done for potential employees.
posted on February 11, 2001 03:38:51 PM new
Nope cmbtboots - this is your sweet kid. No doubt about it. Also - the time you gave me is in the early evening -- about 6 PM
Here is a few bits.
He is a Libra in the 7th house, he does not like to be alone and is a gifted diplomat.
He has Venus and Mars in Leo and so to be the center of attention, but they are in the 6th house so he would tend to chastise himself for this.
If you have been reading the thread - very similar to how I feel about my Leo Venus - "sheesh, why don't you quit promenading around!"
The thing to do here is give him plenty of applause anyway because he THRIVES in it. Also, Leo is creative (again, he will be shy about his ability) so he needs an outlet.
He is extremely social with the Leo and Libra and an Aquarius rising, but has Moon in Pisces so has great range of feeling - an empathetic nature.
His Moon is smack on his ascendent so this is akin to leading with you emotions, and very likely why you describe him a "sweet".
Pisces Moon is very sweet and this is his first handshake.. Like wearing your emotions on you sleeve. He comes into a room "I am pleasant, friendly and can make you feel good."
I would suspect that he is going to do very well in school, both socially and academically and so this is a great bonus for a parent for sure. He will have high standards for himself and berate himself terribly if misses his mark (on his own, even if it is silent) so take care not to encourage that by being critical yourself (you don't seem that way at all - I just mention anyway --- don't let anyone else do it, you know what I mean)
What to look out for?
Help him not to be hard on himself (his own worst critic) and understand that in spite of social adeptness, that he feels pain acutely via a Pluto square to his Moon and so there will be times that he withdraws and seethes and he should be allowed too. He is also ambitious, and the only thing to say about that, is let him be. Sweet? Yes. But he still wants to be the boss.
On his love life --- he DID NOT inherit your challenges in this arena... you will be proud to see him treat relationships in a very courtly Leo way - expect him to come home with a bunch of theatrical gals who swing their hair
High five VeryModern!! 
Rocker
She helped me to find more self-acceptance in this area. Once I was over the intial sadness of the break up, I continued to explore these gender issues more fully. I see it this way: Even the "failed" relationships are not a failure. At the risk of sounding hokey, I have to say I REALLY believe we learn something extremely valuable every time. "When the student is ready, the teacher will appear."
{{{{{{{Group Hug}}}}}}} Rocker
We have a winner! 
I can't stop reading reading reading your posts here! Anyway, now my eyes are starting to close 
so I thought I would stop in and say goodnight. I hope you are sleeping well and resting that brilliant mind of yours.