posted on January 22, 2001 04:04:00 PM new
...and several devoted virtual daughters.
Nobsy, your life force could sustain us all, but I know the thing that whispers in the night, and I'm happy VM's words give you sustenance. VM, you are an everlasting angel, and I love you.
D. (with elevated foot and an ice cold Miller Lite and neatly cooking dinner swill)
posted on January 22, 2001 04:10:58 PM new
quickly nobs, while I am waiting for my husband to get here with dinner...
Your condition (apparently existing) is due to change. You may try an experimental treatment..
The things here are health + change and Uranus is revolutionary..
I just jot this down in case it triggers something for you.
What I can tell you for sure is that your daily health routine will not be static. It is time for a change and I highly doubt that it will be subtle.
posted on January 22, 2001 04:34:02 PM new
(staunching arcing bloodflow with filthy paper towel)
Ummmm....no. She's got a love/hate relationship with the spotlight, you shine with unadulterated glee. And your nose is a thing of perfection. I think noses have an enormous impact on character.
posted on January 22, 2001 05:01:43 PM new
Oh! Ingrid Bergman! I like that! She always seemed so elegant. Odd thing is I named my daughter Ilsa. Not after Ingid Bergman in Casablanca. Just because I liked it. Later found out it was her name in that movie.
VeryModern, I have another question. All this talk about illness and longevity has me wondering if you can tell me anything about my own health. My sisters diagnosis turns out to be worse than Lupus. They did more tests and found she has a very rare disease [with a very long name] and not as readily treatable as lupus and apparently has a genetic link.[even though no one in our family has ever had any auto-immune disease] SO I am wondering [who wouldn't!] if I have anything similar - or anything at all- to worry about. Now or later. Should I worry? [well I AM a Virgo so I guess I almost have to worry!]
edited to add:
After thinking about it I have decided to keep my husband for awhile! If he is going to be my best friend no matter what I do I might as well let him pay a few bills too!Maybe it would help just to tear up the marriage certificate.
posted on January 22, 2001 05:31:53 PM new
rawbunzel, I am sorry to hear about your sister. Damn!
My husband is glad you are staying with yours. To him the separation of the two of you would be like THIS IS A DEADHEAD QUOTE - I don't talk like this"pulling the tape out of a killer bootleg cassette."
I think he means - "keep the guy."
On your health - I did not even have to look but I did anyway to be sure and I am totally confident that you are supremely healthy. You have all that Virgo in the 2nd house (Taurus) and no stress and Taurus is on tough sum-#*!@! Plus Virgo does not really get sick - they just worry. They cannot get sick because they are caring for the sick. When they do get sick, it is a fast turnaround and back to work.
Back to your husband - just remember that as a Virgo you are and always will be an unmarried woman.
nobs - your daughter - oh lordy, she is a piece of work, isn't she?
I am assimilating.
posted on January 22, 2001 05:49:58 PM new
I'm sorry, I had to leave a few minutes.
VM
'As Diana has said, you're a dear and beautiful person and I so appreciate the help. Hope is strong, always will be and I am determined. It has only been recently that the fears came into play .. for so long I was very brave and without fear. Now I feel I can refuse to live in fear!
Toke-sis
You will never know the importance and how special my cyber family is to me. And you are my cyber sister, that is right up there.
Diana As I just told Toke-sis, my cyber family is very important to me. I receive so much just reading their words (even when I don't post much, I try and read and keep up with everyone. You (and dear Fop) are like family to me and I am so blessed to have many friends here on these boards. I am adding a new addition to my adopted family (if she will consider) and that is Very Modern. I have followed this thread and her graciousness and kindness blows me away (along with her intelligence).
I don't say this often enough but I am so grateful for all of you. You give me strngth, comfort and your words make my spirit soar! I have watched so many interesting, funny, kind and loving folks join in this past few months and I look forward to getting to know them.
And thank you for your words, I will embrace anything (even pain) but the fear. Now I feel I can laugh at it
posted on January 22, 2001 05:55:01 PM newrawbunzel
I am sorry to hear about your sister. There are some excellent sites on the www for lupus and related diseases that may be of help. If you would like, I could send you some info.
If you know the name of her disease I may be able to get you some more info on it.
posted on January 22, 2001 06:01:59 PM newNobs, Thank you, That would be great! I have found some sights relating to lupus but very few that discuss her particular disease. You can email me at:
I am sorry to know that you have been ill. I thought from some of your posts that that may be the case but felt you wanted to keep it private. I wish you the best! Sounds like from what VM had to say that things could well be looking up for you! I hope with all my heart that it is true. I have always admired you and wish you well.
VM, Your husband sounds like a fun sort of guy! I have never been a deadhead myself but living as I do I understand them well!
posted on January 22, 2001 06:06:14 PM newVery Modern
You have no idea. I feel like I raised 12 kids with just raising her. Her brother (who is 10 years older) was a piece of cake. I love them both very much but my daughter has been a real handful from Day One. I am hoping she will be able to become independant before her Dad and I wear out completely. We will always be there for her but I feel there comes a time in every life when you have to make that move forward to independance. She is very bright and works in the computer field in design and graphics and printing. My husband plans on retiring early at 55 (he is 53) and we are planning to move to NH. I want her to be able to move on her own because I know she would not want to live the kind of life my husband and I are planning. We have been married 34 years and except for a year that my daughter was on her own before she returned home, we have raised our 2 children.
I think my husband needs to have just me and maybe a pet for a bit.
posted on January 22, 2001 06:22:02 PM newRawbunzel
Thank you, I try to avoid talking about it and it can be hard when you are in a thread and a discussion comes up.
Do you know the name of the disease your sister has? I will send you the general sites I have on lupus but if you email them they can help you with info.
posted on January 22, 2001 06:28:46 PM new
Thanks rawbunzel - just in case no one noticed I am NOT a deadhead, and my husband is actually a hybrid.
1/2 Trekkie 1/2 Deadhead.
Think I am kidding?
He used to draw a strip "Dark Star Trek".
It seems that Mr. Spock meets up with a bunch of deadheads and does a Vulcan mind meld and winds up with a bunch of "killer shows on bootleg tapes"..
posted on January 22, 2001 06:30:27 PM new
Yes,NOBS, it is called Dermatomyositis . Really, thank you for any help finding info. She would really like to try to go holistic and herbal so if you know of any places like that on the WWW I would be grateful.
And now that is the last I will mention it on VMs wonderful thread!
posted on January 22, 2001 06:34:47 PM new
Verymodern, That is very interesting and nice artwork! I forgot to thank you for helping me to not worry about my own health. You do a very great service here, you really do.
posted on January 22, 2001 06:44:16 PM new
kitsch1 - nobs is a person with total integrity who has earned the right to do whatever she pleases
A class act.
nobs - I have a lot to say and want to say it well and so it make take until tomorrow, because I don't think I have enough gas in my tank at the moment. I am confident that I can offer you some insight - in fact I am sure of it.
Regarding your daughter - this is another situation that cannot be dismissed in a paragraph. If I could just babble, I would - but I have to write, so I will be back when I can collect myself and be coherent.
I am tiiiiiired!
Thanks everyone.
posted on January 22, 2001 07:09:10 PM newVM
thank you so much! Tomorrow would be fine or any day, I will be keeping up with this thread and my goodness, even God rested
You have no idea how much you have helped me already. Mr. Nobs just said that I haven't had this sparkle in my eyes for a long while and that makes me so happy to see him this way.
Rawbunzel
I just forwarded some sites to you. On one of them there is holistic info available and I will look further now that I have that name.
I am a great believer in holistic medicine and have used it (with excellent results) for a while now. After you read my email you will understand that I am not the best candidate for conventional medicine. I sent the first emails to the wrong address (no surprise - I have been making these silly mistakes all week - must be something in the stars )
posted on January 22, 2001 09:39:03 PM new
Oh Nobsdear,
I am sitting here with a smile on my face at the info VM gave you. A lot I already knew but she is so on the mark on what I do know about you.
What I am really LMAO is about the taureen D. Haven't we all said that at one time or other. It seems we all have one child that worries us most and makes our hair gray earlier.
I think perhaps *you* are the only pet Mr. Nobs has plans for and I can see you lighting that candle now. You Nobs, are truly a treasure.
posted on January 22, 2001 10:03:22 PM new
oh hell nobs, I am up late putting it all together. Tomorrow I write you a masterpiece.
I got your keys alright.
Tonight - big talk.
Tomorrow I walk the walk.
You and me?
We got a date.
Tomorrow I am going to bust this wide open for you.
I will have to blather on to do it.
I am trying to condense and consolidate now. Spare everyone
I am posting this now to insure that I do what I know I can do. I want to go the whole trek.
My husband inspires me.
VM
thank you so much. I had a great nights sleep last night and I know why
Kitsch
that id smiles too ... she is oh so happy when she sees you - BIG
Shardear
I am still shocked how close it is. I really believe the "stars" are as good a guide as any right now. Usually I can be somewhat sceptical but as I read this thread I slowly lost that feeling. I am so happy I "met" VM and took the plunge. I have learned over the years of my life to leave my mind open to all possibilities and not narrow my beliefs but to broaden them and I am happy that I have. I have learned so much about concepts, beliefs and religions that I would never had known. One of the most important things I have learned is about respect.
posted on January 23, 2001 11:46:06 AM new
Note -this info is relevant to people with Saturn in the 8th house - Saturn in Scorpio or Saturn transit to the 8th house.
This is long, I hope I don't break the thread!
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Good morning nobs!
I am going to go after your health problem because this (not moving) is front and center for you right now, and for that matter it is going to be until mid 2002. Yes, I know this is frightening, but I aim to transform this fear into an outrageously powerful tool that you can use to heal. I also know that this is big talk, but I am confident - in fact I am entirely confident and here is why.
You start with 360 degrees in a circle and two people, me and you.
You have 10 planets and so do I and they can be at any one of these 360 points.
Odds are that I will not have a point in the same place as you do - a random person.
If someone is math inclined - maybe they can tell us just what those odds would be.
Okay - nobs, I wrote you privately saying that your chart interested me and here is why.
We have not 1, not two, not 3, but FOUR points in EXACT conjunction.
What's this mean (besides the odds of this are astronomical)?
It means my finger is exactly on your "nob" and vice versa.
Now guess which points in your chart I share with you???
Very notably considering the subject - Your ascendent (your body)
Your Jupiter (God, luck, expansion)
Your Neptune (God again)
and MOST notably your Saturn - planet of fear that is in your 8th house (SUBCONSCIOUS).
You quite astutely wrote that I was in your sub-c because in fact I am. I am right on this Saturn, and this is what I am going to go after because nobs - this is where every key you need is lurking.
Are you familiar with the myth of the Hydra???
The mythical beast with all the heads and each time one is whacked off, another grows? Well if you are not, this a terrific problem and in the end it is resolved by holding the Hydra to the light. This is what is going to happen with you. This is akin to puking it up - lancing a boil. This thing is buried in you is wreaking havoc, and you need to transform it from your nemesis to your greatest asset and when you have you will have access to power that you cannot even imagine.
Here comes the astrology...
First, like I said T Uranus is sq your Sun.
Your Sun is our vital life energy of course and Uranus is going to very quickly take you to your future YOU and recall that N Uranus is in the 6th house (Health).
This is what is going on now. You are getting quick - electric - (hell it's electronic) shocking innovative information about yourself - your Sun - and your health. This transit is happening right before your eyes and everyone elses (Nobs has her Sun in the 10th house PUBLIC!)..
Ding dong - Uranian mailman here again. Here is the mail - read it or don't.
You are a Capricorn rising.
First thing to do when you look at a chart is check the condition of the ruler of the ascendent as this planet rules the chart.
Where is the chart ruler (what house) and how is it aspected?
Capricorn is ruled by Saturn. If you have been reading this thread you may think he is a bas****.
If so - rethink that, because the absolutely only way you are going to heal and help your body is via Saturn - your new best bud.
Okay - so in your chart, Saturn is in the 8th house (death!) in Virgo (health, again).
Translation?
Saturn (fear) Virgo (health) 8th house (death).
Any questions?
Okay.. so as I have written before the stuff just lies in a chart (especially stuff that people do not want to look at) until a transit comes along and then BAM it is coming to life in living color.
This is what you are heading for nobs.
T SATURN, chart ruler aka your biggest deal is coming to square your Natal Saturn.
You are going to learn about your subconscious fear of death - face it - master it and use it to heal.
You are going to face this, embrace this and do this because if you refuse (like all these other people with their Saturn transits I have written about) - life is going to get hard and then harder and then even harder until you do.
Capricorn is not stupid - and so readily gets the clue.
Saturn by it's nature means this is WORK.
However, as a Capricorn hard work is utterly your specialty. Believe me - you have an easier time and more capacity than anyone else in the zodiac (Cap rising this is) to work hard and so you should let this infuse you rather than concern you. IOW You are a Capricorn with a mountain in front of you - Oh happy day - you were born for this. Let's get going!
Okay.. so on this subconscious fear of death.
Yes the 8th house is your subconscious. Saturn in the 8th is deathly afraid of dying. Just accept that for the moment and then look at these two scenarios..
Person is afraid they are going to die. They are only marginally aware of this, or maybe not at all. After all, this is not comfortable and so they try to deny it.
The Hydra grows another head
This does not work, so they buy a new car. I mean people with new cars don't die, right??? The Hydra grows another head
The person starts throwing a bunch of parties - they are going to stay real busy see, because death does not have anything to do with them hell no, they are not afraid.
Ut oh.. Look at the hydra! 8 more heads.
Person 2 opts to act like an adult.
Says - hmmmm... Not only might I die - I will die, so maybe I will spend some time thinking about that.
This decision turns the hydra on it's ass
I will offer a personal story to illustrate.
For the record, I am not sick - I just think about death now and then
interlude..
Okay, so I am having some problems with some of my inlaws.
Seems they don't like me.
This was initially hurtful, but it did not take me long to quit taking this personally since I am fairly astute and can see that they are set up this way. IOW they would dislike me regardless of who I was or what I did.
Still, because I love my husband I made a show of it. I wrote long newsy letters (ignored) sent pictures (ignored) presents (ignored) etc.
Now fact is that this is a waste of my time. I knew it intellectually and I knew it emotionally but I kept doing it until I thought about dying.
One day I had this thought - "what if I died two years from now?" At the time, this was a close as I could get. 2 years.
I thought about the legacy I would leave my kids, stuff like that, and then EUREKA!
As I was thinking about being dead in 2 years it occurred to me first that UH... this could happen (it could happen today ) and that was when I knew I was gonna blow off my inlaws.
I am not talking confrontation - it was a simple thing like everything always is eventually.
See, if I am only going to be alive 2 more years there are some things I am not going to bother with anymore. Screwing around with these people was one of these things.
Then I coined a new phase (I think I am soooo funny ) about these things like this.
Do you know when beloved jedi Obi-Wan Kenobi waves his hand at the Stormtroopers - he says "these are not the droids you are looking for.."??
This is the line I cop for these situations.
Email from a sister-in-law who wants to engage me?
I smile and think "I am not the droid you are looking for" and click "delete".
End of story, move along. Hell I could die any day, ya know?
Obviously - once I had that revelation, then a slew of others followed. Bottom line - I got rid of a BARGE of garbage that day - all because I looked death in the eye.
End of interlude.
This is what you need to do nobs. Not because you are going to die - but because you are going to live.
Okay, so you are afraid you are going to die.
What if you are?
What do you want to do? Not do?
Do you not want to die?
Are you sure?
If you do not want to die - are you willing to work to live?
See nobs - there is such a thing as illness against which a person is powerless.
I know this, you know this, we run across this in life.
You have options, and these are YOUR options and not necessarily available to everyone else, but you cannot touch these tools until you confront your fear of death.
Sad thing, sorry thing but no one is going to airlift you to the top of your mountain.
Saturn is REALITY. You are going to be looking at the reality of dying and I think you should go greet it at the door. If you do not - go back to "scenario #1" because that is what you have and it is tiresome, dismal, and doomed to fail.
Now - get the Saturn working for you and it is in the 8th house (Scorpio ie HEALING) in Virgo (forming the premier combo on this front) and it is the ruler of your ascendent /body.
Add to this your powerful Scorpio life force - able to regenerate and come back with a vengeance from the rim of hell - and I gotta say that whatever you got - you got beat but you MUST transform your fear.
This is your number one job and I am sure that you are going to find this to be the case more and more as the next weeks pass. Uranus is showing up with advance word on your future (Astrology is Uranian btw)
See Saturn comes in like a cold front and it is cool, cooler, then cold and that's it babe.
Better get yer coat, ya know - because this ain't the beach
My point is - you will find that there will be no avoiding this. Winter is winter.
Bottom line.
Don't be letting some grim reaper hunt you down like a scared dog nobs.
Open the door and tell him "c'mon in - what's on your mind?" He's got gifts - I swear it.
The fear has a death grip on you. Start prying.
You are gonna love the result and when you DO die nobs - you will do so with grace, and all because of today's work.
posted on January 23, 2001 01:08:20 PM new
This is for the lurker with the house questions, the kids and the kind words.
I am sorry I cannot answer your question accurately without a birth time because the Moon (and the 4th house) shows the home and without a birth time I cannot nail either.
I put up your chart using noon as a birth time and sure enough you have a Saturn transit to the Moon, but what I don't know it if passed and you are on the upswing - or if it was here and you are enjoying a reprieve and then will face another hardship - or if what you have already experienced is just an intro.
I can say unequivocally though - that you have quite a bit of luck (Jupiter in Pisces - it's ruler conjunct you Sun), and also that as a MEGA fish (Sun, Jupiter, Venus and Mars in Pisces) you live on faith to a large degree and it works for you. For reassurance - look to Jupiter who really is in great shape in Pisces and expect to land on your feet. Jupiter in Pisces is as good as it gets.
btw - It is this same Jupiter on your Sun that gives you the high minded optimistic, adventurous and even educational perspective (the nomad bit) on what is a really very dire happening. This is without a doubt an outstanding gift. Marvelous use of your Pisces fairy dust, I have to tip my hat. Go look in the mirror and say "I am good at what I do".
