posted on January 4, 2001 06:00:23 PM new
Well bobbi - I suspect he is hiding something from you, however it is not necessarily for malevolent purposes.
IOW, don't look behind his curtain unless you really want to know.
A little mystery may not be the end of the world..
posted on January 4, 2001 06:06:36 PM new
Well, I've wanted to peek behind that curtain for a long time and I really wanna know! I just don't know where to start investigating......
posted on January 4, 2001 06:20:02 PM new
I wish I could help. The house in his chart where N Neptune falls is where the secrets are but I don't have the houses because I don't have a birthtime.
Sorry!
You could just ask too. He is not a liar by nature or anything. He just has a little somethin' he doesn't want to show or tell. If you ASK his non-liar Mercury brain, you may get an answer.
posted on January 4, 2001 06:33:51 PM new
Yep, I would say so, but see your email.
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For the record, I don't think he is a bad person in any way.
His secret could be something very innocuous that he is ashamed of for some reason.
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adding.. or something he feels would upset you.
Just make sure you want to know. Sometimes people obsure things for purely kind reasons.
posted on January 4, 2001 07:48:20 PM new
This is for the AW lurker with the school age son. Turns out she has a husband.....
I peeked at your husband's chart and planned to think overnight, but it was too easy, so here goes.
I clearly see the challenge 7 yrs back, but it looks to me like you will *re-commit* and really solidify your relationship this next year - year and 1/2 as opposed to split.
You have that Saturn T your Venus which is making you afraid, but it ain't gonna happen. He is needing extra room to be free at the moment - you are feeling pressure.
Get this.
Within a year, he will be feeling the pressure and you will be needing the extra space.
2 years out when it is all said and done, I believe you will be together and happier than you have ever been.
The astrology?
He is 19 Taur - gets the transit (Uranus) first - then it hits your ascendent and Venus @ 29 Taur
ON the pressure, as I have written before - this is Saturn crossing your ascendent and Venus (that's the money love part)
Venus - love and money
Saturn - fear, take responsibility - commit!
Now when it leaves Taur it goes into Gemini which is where his Venus is and so he starts to feel the pressure..
Result is to get serious about love (and money) and as I have been saying earlier in the thread, when Saturn combines with Venus you get a marriage license, not a divorce.
Exception here is if the marriage is COMPLETELY unworkable in which case Saturn will make you face that.
It sounds in your case, this is not the case, and so that is why I say a recommitment happens. Saturn is making you willing to "work" on your relationship (also work for money) and he will follow your lead.
It is all laid out that way. Seems you are to launch your whole family.
For the record, he is a Taurus with a Libra rising and a Leo Moon.
Good luck!
posted on January 4, 2001 09:00:10 PM new"On the overweight, I did not go back and read but perhaps I told the story of the Taurus in Mexico sucking on that gal's toes. Is that it?"
LOL, ummmm, I don't remember anything about any toe sucking Taurus, and I'd think I'd have noticed something like that. Sounds .... er, interesting.
Actually, what you said to Eve was:
"You can thank your Cap rising for your supremely excellent bone structure and your GREAT LEGS. If you were Sag rising you would probably be very very heavy. Double Taurus appetite with Sag tendency to overindulge is a recipe for obesity.
I may not have the Sag rising, but I DO have the weight problem. And although I would love to change it, I can't imagine it going anywhere very quickly. Afterall, I've been working on adding it ever since high school. My addiction is chocolate, but I haven't found any programs for that.
posted on January 5, 2001 05:51:24 AM new
snarky~ if you are a female I would suggest adding magnesium supplement to your diet. Chocolate is loaded with magnesium & most women crave it at certain times because their bodies need magnesium.
posted on January 5, 2001 06:31:34 AM new
Hmmmm, interesting. I'll have to look into it, I hadn't ever heard that. Thanks. And here I thought I was addicted to the caffeine. LOL
posted on January 5, 2001 06:35:31 AM new
On the Taurus in Puerto Vallarta, here is what I saw.
He was sitting at one of those bars in the pool, drinking in the shade. He was lavishly obese and he had this hot little number sitting next to him. She was fantasy walkin'.
One got the impression she was hired.
Anyway - I saw them maybe 10 AM and they were drinking from tall hurricane glasses, something rich - Pina Colada or the like and the bartender was waiting on them hand over foot.
One got the impression that this guy had more than just a couple of bucks.
Taur was smoking cigars, rubbing this gals thigh, sucking down these big drinks and they were surrounded by large snack trays over flowing with tropical fruits, fresh bread, everything short of an ice sculpture.
One got the impression that this guy was a serious CUSTOMER of this hotel.
Okay, so the day goes on and by 1 PM this gal is in his lap. Yes. She is laying across him and he is running his tongue up and down her arm and various other moves. New trays of food are being brought constantly,. The bartender keeps trading them out, and btw he is also intermittently FANNING them.
One got the impression Taur was tasting life's fruits.
3PM and they were snockered.
Both of them.
She was straddling him on this stool.
One got the impression that she was good at what she does.
The last glance I had of them is when I saw him lift her foot and begin to suck her toes.
I have never forgotten this.
How could I?
Anyway - this is a perfect illustration of Taurus overindulgence. They don't do this every day, but by God when they decide to drink from life's cup... Stand back and watch a master.
posted on January 5, 2001 06:55:35 AM new
LOL
Sounds very tempting. Except I'd have to have a boy-toy, and trays of chocolates and other sweets. And I think I'd skip the toe-sucking, but I'm sure I could find some substitute form of entertainment.
posted on January 5, 2001 09:58:28 AM new
Snarky,
Sorry for the late reply, since I don't have auctions running currently, I spend my computer time mostly indulging my George Clooney fan site fascination...pitiful, I know!
Here something about me and my weight. I just lost about 40 pounds in the past year and a half or so. (This will in no way be a "diet" tio, BTW.) However the key for me was to get my pre-menstural (even though I had a hysterectomy 3 years ago, I still have ovaries) cravings under control. For 10! days out of the month I could not control my urge to eat any nad everything in the fridge and cupboards. Very non-specific cravings, I would just take a taste of everything and still the cravings persisted. The solution for me was to stumble onto a so called appetite supressant that actually did just that. I ate those itty bitty TV dinners and I walked my dogs progressively farther and farther every day. Today I weigh 117 pounds. Will I maintain it? enh! Have no idea. But the walking improved the looks of my legs SO MUCH I will be very reluctant to give those improvements up....remeber I am still utterly single, 41 years of age, and need all the help I can get!!!
posted on January 5, 2001 10:37:42 AM new
Still reading and fascinated! Waiting for my birth certificate so I can confirm my birthtime.
I also agree about the PMS thing~if it weren't for those days, I would weigh about 100 lbs!
VM, what relationship does a woman's cycle have with astrology? Does the location of the stars when the "monthly friend" comes to visit each month mean anything?
Probably a silly question~
posted on January 5, 2001 11:01:08 AM new
mimigigi - a woman's cycle correlates to the Moon, which takes 28 1/2 days to pass through the zodiac.
Moon = woman, mother, womb, one's roots.
posted on January 5, 2001 11:10:52 AM new
mimigigi - I just read your question better...
Of course all women are not aligned with the 28 1/2 days, but I would say those who are aligned "best"..
Here is an interesting little tidbit.
According to the Vedics, a human life span is 120 years. They have a system independent from western astrology (dasha-bhukti) that is basically a huge 120 yr loop.
A person is born somewhere in this loop, their personal starting point and then they go through various challenges and rewards - having lived it all in 120 years, graduation day.
They feel are lives are cut short by bad habits, living in a poor manner, and it is hard to argue, isn't it?
posted on January 5, 2001 02:15:20 PM new
No problem Eve. George Clooney isn't too bad, but personally, I prefer Tom Cruise or Alan Jackson.
I don't think that PMS affects me that way. I crave chocolate every day, all day. It IS a bit stronger during that time of the month, as are the headaches. But my problems are just general poor eating habits (I don't bother cooking for myself) and no activity. And now my weight is causing or aggravating some health issues. It's not a pretty sight, and it hurts to try to move, especially walking.
I'm single too, and only 3 years (and a few days) younger than you. But I feel a lot older.
posted on January 5, 2001 03:49:16 PM new
Snarky,
My GC worshipping only started when I found out we had the same Birthday.
I tell you, if I didn't have my 2 dogs, I wouldn't be getting any execise at all. And if it weren't for the 3 years or so I worked at a Whole Foods market, my diet would still be dodgey at best.
The only thing that works for me, is not calling it a "have to", we Taurus are way too stubborn for any ultimatims (SP) or just anything that even sort has the faintest whiff of being chore-like. You know what I mean? Changing habits so gradually that no one but us can even tell there are changes happening is the only way to go! For me, anyway!
posted on January 5, 2001 04:47:04 PM new
LOL, don't I know it!! If my mother even offers to help with meals, I start to bristle. And I'd love to have my own chef, but NOT my mother. I just get too impatient with her. I figure that would be the only way I could do it, as I'm a very fussy eater too. If I had a good chef, he/she could try different variations on things that I know I like, then change them subtly so that they were lower in fat.
posted on January 6, 2001 12:02:21 PM new
Good afternoon VeryModern,
Now I don't even know if this is a prospective marriage but junque get this...
There is a little astro book out there, about 30 years old, just about 20 pages long
and this gal (can't recall her name - my books are packed at the moment) asserts
that there will be no marriage if you cannot make a tie between the ascendents
and their rulers.
Got it, and put it in print form.So much for the moons have to be in synch.
I've Got to ask the teacher:Where does The
True node and Imum coeli come into play?Is it
so hidden,And has little or no effect or a sneaky placement,That can bite later on?
And did you get to read any of the Auntie Mame book? I always thought, her,,, to be Aquarian or rising.
posted on January 6, 2001 12:16:57 PM new
Snarky,Thanks,Just caught up on the thread.I think, there was one other thread,But couldnt come up with the right key words on search.
I'll remember, a week from now.If you don't
Mind me asking,Have you ,had your sugar checked?It may be another reason for the craving.Diabetes has raised its ugly head in our family in the last couple of years.Missed
Me, and hit my Capicorn and Pisces sisters.
Missed the baby sister as well,She is a Leo.
I am the oldest sister.
posted on January 6, 2001 12:39:03 PM new
Hiya junque - I got the movie from the library, not the book. Have not had a chance to see yet - the kiddos and all. I have the Rosalind Russell version, I can't wait.
The IC, my opinion, shows the conditions at the end of life and the home. The ascendent/ descendent axis (me/Aries vs we/Libra) is more concerned with the partner.
Regarding the Nodes of the Moon, very frankly I do not think that there is strict consensus or agreement among western astrologers as to how to interpret. There are theories about these points being "karmic" which is way too over used a word, besides being impossible to really research.
One theory for example (Tracy Marks) is that the North Node shows your highest calling this life, South Node, what you have mastered. She feels that people with planets conjunct your south node take you AWAY from where you need to go this life, and people with planets conjunct your n node encourage your growth. Anyway, some feel that others with planets placed at the degree of your nodes are ultra significant. I may accept that, but it is not clear to me *how* like it is with Venus or Mars or whatever.
Now with the Vedics - they consider the nodes (called Rahu and Ketu) to be highly malevolent and I tend to think they know more than we do because they have been using them for interpretation for many many years, where Western astrologers are taking baby steps in comparison. Western and Eastern astrologers are beginning to exchange info (The Internet / Uranus through Aquarius is big part of this) and we are leaning from each other. They have the nodes of the Moon, we have very good understanding of the outer planets.
Anyway they feel that Rahu or Ketu in a chart have terrific negative impact on the area of life signified by the house it falls in - but care should be taken in reading your own chart this way because the use the sidereal zodiac and whole sign houses. What the house signify also differ to varying degrees, but the major thing is they have precise configurations that utterly undo negative situations. This means if you do not understand what you are doing, you can see something very dire that actually shows precisely the opposite.
posted on January 6, 2001 12:46:11 PM new
oh yeah, my husband is going to dig out my books so I can credit this woman properly. I have been wracking my brain and can't remember the title. Only that it is skinny, yellow and I think c. 1957. Anyhow, it is getting dug up asap.
posted on January 6, 2001 12:54:18 PM new
2001-1957 is more than 30 years isn't it?
Dang with the math, but for the record when I wrote about Gemini Hell - I said "60's" but I meant "50's" but did not think about this until a week later.
Anyhow, per my habit, I am cleaning up my sloppy thinking now.
posted on January 6, 2001 05:53:28 PM new
"How to Handle Your Human Relations" by Lois Haines Sargent c. 1958, reprinted 1970 and again in 1991 by American Federation of Astrologers in Tempe AZ.
20 pages?
I mean 75p.
junque, anyone else potentially interested - this is a dynamite little book. Besides her theory - contains concise interpretation of all the aspects between charts excluding the ascendent.
Kind of an air sign guide to synasty.
... Just the facts, ma'am. No need to get emotional ...
posted on January 7, 2001 10:28:25 AM new
Mame was total delight, thanks KatyD and Junque!
I spit my coffee in the first 10 minutes when she said ".. he is worldly, for a man of God!"
junque - I agree with the Aquarius, but I would say Sun not rising. Aqua Sun, Gemini rising.
I think she was a "true" eccentric, her Sun, but that the flitting, fast speech and variety of friends - her facade was Gemini.
Then I would give her a Leo Mars because she used presentation and drama to get what she wanted, Venus in Cancer because of Patrick, and also that this feature of her personhood was incongruent with *most* of her.
Probably an Air Moon too- I never saw her eat more than a cracker - the whole movie long.
I once ate Thanksgiving dinner with 2 other women. One was a dble Gem, the other Aquarius and Libra (all air signs). We cooked all day, and when it came time to eat, I was the only one who did.
Seems I was the only one who came for the [i]food[i] and I was dumbstruck.
"Am I the only one who is going to eat?"
Double Gem answered that by lighting a cigarette.
Could be a Leo Moon and not eating for sake of vanity, and I would give her Jupiter in Sagittarius, (nice aspects to the Sun and ascendent) because she was quite lucky wasn't she? Plus the travel and the interest in foreign culture in general.
Very much a treat, thanks again - and yes I could absolutely relate.
posted on January 7, 2001 02:17:29 PM new
VeryModern,I think your assesment of Auntie Mames planet alignments were right on target.
You mentioned her not eating much,Or not so much as a cracker.I have seen this with Aquarians and Geminis,(Relatives and friends.)
Have you ever looked at a body or face,And thought,This is a Leo or Pisces?Or Sag.Or any of the known character features ,and put it with a sign?The Leo,And Pisces,Have the look around the eyes,And of course the hair with the Leo.If a Leo woman has gained weight,It attachs at the hips and thighs.A sag woman will look stubby if gained weight.A Pisces gains in the breast and stomach,With small limbs.The Aquarian who does eat,Will gain in the stomach and waist area as they have short waists.Cancer and Geminis,Aries,Seem to gain overall,And still have a waist and sharp features.Taurus will gain weight overall and tend to have short necks.(better to sing with my dear)The ones who seem to act out their signs more,(bounceing off walls)Easy to guess,Sags,Gems,Aries,Leo,Aquarians.
The ones who keep to themselves in a room full of people,Has been,Virgo,Pisces,Cancer.
The Virgo may be the one emptying the ash trays.(they arent wallflowers)Just have not heard a conversation they wish to be a part of.The Scorpios are there,But are not there.
This is just what I gathered on my own.Does it agree?
posted on January 7, 2001 02:28:32 PM new
The 5 year old artist is very good.Maybe she
Will be an artist when she gets older.And reaching for the rainbow at an early age.You will have to watch her. She will keep you busy,From 10 on.(just a guess)She will want to do it all,Ballet to kickboxing.
posted on January 7, 2001 04:03:32 PM new
Hi junque - I read your comments with interest.
I cannot offer a similar list because I am profoundly lousy at guessing someone's sign. I think it is because I am decidedly not visual.
As an example I have a very hard time remembering if someone wears glasses or something like that. I just can't remember, even if I have known them 10 years. I will try to picture and see them with and without and have no idea which is real.
When I first met my husband I was drawing him with chalk on the sidewalk with my daughter and he was right there. Anyway, I drew him and I was done and he said "aren't you going to draw my mustache and my beard?"
I looked up, and sure enough, he had both.
"Yes, I see them now. They're red."
So... the only sign I can reliably pick out is a Sag rising. Not a Sag sun - just the rising.
These are the people you see in airports with one carry-on bag (well worn) slung over their shoulder and they arrive at the gate within a couple minutes of take off.
They invariably have a pony tail (women or men) and many of them have the front of their hair puffy in some way, to resemble a horse and the mane. These people are in motion, they are not looking around. They are headed to a destination, and if you want to talk to one of them you must walk (or trot) alongside. They tend to wear clothing of somewhere they have been. Either ethnic, or more commonly a T-shirt naming some place they have been.
Now, what I can do is guess a person's MARS.
I am very, very good at this, I have honed the skill.
Mars again is how you get what you want and people's MOTIVES are exceedingly and endlessly fascinating to me.
Back to my dating life, I would go out as "bait" and then observe.
A man who was approaching me had something on him mind. Usually sex, or with the Gems or Aquarians, sometimes it was more intellectual - like "who is that oddity?"
They were wanting to escape boredom.
Anyway since I was "what they want" they would try to acquire with their Mars, and it was starkly apparent most times within a couple minutes max.
For example, if they started talking about their house, their big house, and their family, where they come from, etc. - this is Cancer Mars.
"Come with me baby - I will provide you a home and family."
If they mentioned how much they made last year, gave their resume or outlined their social positon, this was Capricorn Mars.
"Come with me, and you will be secure because I have standing in the world."
If they talked about all the places they had been and they know about, locally or otherwise and provide instructions on how to get their - car, plane boat, rickshaw - this is a Sag Mars talking.
"Come with me and I will expand your horizons"
You get the point.
Now if you want to do this, you have to pick up the clue in the first 3 sentences or so. Remember this is MARS and he is in a hurry and he arrives on the scene first.
