posted on January 2, 2001 06:31:20 PM new
Hi snarky - I knew what you meant about kitsch1 - I just could not let a Taurus call a Pisces stubborn!
She is taking it in, I know she is. She is drinking and merging, just not "acting" ....
Yet.
rawbunzel - I am very sorry you got this news. Your Moon Saturn ouch is in the 3rd house (siblings). I feel for you, I really do.
Your husband's Venus (money) is at 3 Gemini and so Saturn is on the way to conjunct, which will undoubtably keep money tight for awhile. Just plan for it because I think is going to be very chic to "spend less" very soon anyway.
He is clear May 2001 and his finances will be on the mend.
Your Venus is a 10 Virgo and will be squared by Saturn from Gemini, same time. The worst of this for you is July 2001 and again (but less intense because you have already seen the movie) Dec 2001 and then clear.
Your husband's Sun is 10 Gem - see how it correlates with your Venus?
Anyway, again, it is not all year every day. Peak in June/July, you get through it and then back for one more pass. You will be learning about money. Of course blah blah blah, this will serve your later and all that rigamarole.
Snarky, what do you like about my husband? His glasses, his accent, his cereal or his taste in women?
posted on January 2, 2001 07:03:58 PM new
Rawbunzel, I'm sorry about your sister's news. I hope all goes well for her.
VM, LOL.
Hmmmmm, what do I like about your husband? Well, it's obvious that he has excellent taste in women. But what I really admire is his pride in his loved one, his enjoyment in reading the praise of others for you. I like his brand loyalty, and his dent resistance, and undoubtedly he has many other qualities that I can identify with.
No, we have never dated. I'm sure you are a great person, but as I'm a woman who prefers men, you just aren't my type. LOL
posted on January 2, 2001 07:34:58 PM new
Thanks Verymodern and Snarky. I am sorry about my sisters bad news as well. She is taking it well as she had suspected it for awhile and has [on the surface anyway] a fatalistic attitude twords life. [she is a Leo] She lives many states away but I think I will try to convince her to move back to her family as she becomes more ill. She has no family except us. It will be ok.
Verymodern, your information today has cheered me up. "How" you say when it is not the most joyful information? I am relieved that we made it through last year as well as we did, I have a new perspective on it. And I can see that what is coming is really not so bad...well not until 2008...but I can handle that. Besides I am printing all this out and will keep it as a reminder. Thank you!
posted on January 2, 2001 07:42:06 PM new
snarky - I should have elaborated.
See for yeeeears I dated Leo rising Scorpio suns. One then another, then another, then another, then another. 15 of them, maybe 20, I dunno.
It was my blueprint. I would walk down the street, meet another and take up with them.
So I put up your chart and it just made me chuckle. You remind me of a lot of people, and so I started writing on your chart and I was just flying because I am very familiar. I am sorry if I rushed through your chart and it was hard to make heads or tails of. If you want me to explain further, tell me where and what about and I will.
disclaimer, I realize you are a Taur, but the scorpio is pronounced.
Anyway snarky, you are having a huge HUGE transit of Uranus and you are really going to break out - but it is shocky. You will fare well I think because natal Uranus is in good shape in the 1st, trine a top flight Mars (in Aries - ruler, and in the 9th house - fire - Sag) and there are no hard aspects. You may take off and travel, and if you do, it will be swift, and sudden, not planned. You are living through a time where you have no restriction because you won't tolerate any. You rebel and any attempt to stop you results in further rebellion. Because N Uranus is in the first house, it us highly likely that you will experiment with your appearance - how you present yourself.
End of January - beg. Feb 2001 T Uranus will enter your 7th house and liberate your love nature. You will have the freedom urges that I have been writing about regarding myself and the rawbunzels. If you are not married and you get married in this time frame - you best have lots of freedom or the marriage will be very short (I stayed married for less than 2 weeks once, so I am not kidding). It is more like a "marriage" experiment.
If you are married, your husband needs to give you lots of rope. LOTS of rope. If he calls you up and wants you top justify yourself all the time, you will toss him out the door. See - tolerate no restriction. (a restriction you put on yourself is another thing all together).
I hope this helps snarky.
kiddo's bedtime.
Cheerio, and oh.. sorry for the lack of ":professionalism" reacting to your chart with my own amusing memories. I knew I was having a little too much fun, but decided what the hell. I hope you forgive.
if you are single, you are going to be dating people you never considered before in your life and they will come fast an furious - believe it.
posted on January 3, 2001 04:12:27 AM new
No apologies necessary. I don't mind the personal glimpses at all. Feel free to ramble on about my chart or your own reminiscences as much as you like. The more you tell me the better I'll understand it, and the real-life examples help me in understanding it even more. I'm enjoying it, even if I don't understand it all.
BTW, I'm still hunting for that other thread. I could have sworn that someone posted a link to it, but as is usual for me, when I went looking for it, it had apparently self-destructed. If anyone knows where the link is, or even who had posted the link, could you please let me know? Thanks.
I don't know much about Scorpio, but have often read the generic types of horoscopes and characterizations for Taurus, and find quite a few of those traits in myself. How does the Scorpio change or add to that?
“you are having a huge HUGE transit of Uranus and you are really going to break out - but it is shocky.”
- Is this a good thing or bad? Is this similar to the 7(?) year difficult period that Rawbunzel is going through? If so, when did it start? I’m just wondering which part of my life has been influenced by this, and how events have coincided.
“You are living through a time where you have no restriction because you won't tolerate any.”
- And when did this start? I wonder if this had anything to do with the difficulties I had with my old job, from one and a half to two years, or more, ago. I know that I’ve certainly had a new “attitude” for the last few days, which manifested in my refusal to attend some family functions. I felt that if they weren’t going to take my preferences into consideration, then I just wasn’t going to go. To HE-ck with them!!!
No, I’m not married. The closest thing I have to a man in my life is the aforementioned frustrating Pisces. His birth date is February 28, 1967, if that tells you anything. I don’t know the time or location, although it was likely in NS too. And I don’t think I’ll ask him, as that would involve talking to him, which is usually
more trouble than it’s worth, and I frequently regret it. LOL
It’s not his masculinity that’s in question, it’s whether he’s really “in my life” or not. He has so many good characteristics, but the bad ones overwhelm the good. I have waited so long and tried to help him, but I’ve come to the conclusion that nothing will ever change with him, in spite of the fact that he claims that he wants to change. So, for my own sanity (which is questionable at best), I need to move on and find someone who can really love me. I deserve better than that.
I have no desire to get married either. I don’t even really want to live with anyone. I would like to have a good relationship with someone who has his own place, then we can spend lots of time together, but have time alone too. Two strong people who don’t “need” each other to survive, but just like to be together.
posted on January 3, 2001 09:13:01 AM new
(drive by...for Eve,)
Eve ISO Adam, needs someone strong and capable to help name the animals. ISO Eden, too, btw, willing to relocate. Having lived life in extremis, wants now to savor its fruits...er, apple-lovers need not apply. You are allowed some flaws as long as you've learned from them. Tell me your story.
posted on January 3, 2001 10:16:47 AM new
Hi Snarky - I don't know where the other thread is either, and I don't think anyone has linked it but may be wrong. I actually think there were 2 other threads, but that could be my mistake as well.
Regarding your chart you are a Taurus Sun. Your have a Scorpio Moon conjunct Neptune. The Sun is what you are living and is apparent to people. Your Moon is your emotional nature, what you (and people very close to you) know is true about yourself. Your ascendent is Leo which is your first handshake. It is a facade in a way.
You live your sun without thinking but if you are going to a party - going to meet a slew of new people, it is your rising sign that you will "extend", and your Moon would show how you feel about the whole thing.
Okay - a Uranus transit has nothing to do with a Saturn transit which the rawbunzels are facing.
The 7 years thing is this.
Saturn takes 28 years to pass through all the signs in the zodiac - the 7 year thing is regarding the angles.
Uranus takes 7 years to pass through a SIGN (84 years to transit the zodiac) so this is why the confusion.
The transits could not possibly be more remote.
Saturn slows things (your life) down to a crawl.
Uranus speeds it up - the rough estimate would be by a factor of 300.
During Saturn transit you are on foot carrying a horse and pulling a cart. Survival is on your mind.
With Uranus, you are on a bullet train going places you have never been before and staying perhaps only a minute or so before taking off again.
Both are challenging in their own way.
The fixed signs are now being impacted by Uranus (Leo, Aqua, Scor, Taur). With the possible exception of Aquarians who are aligned with their element, as fun as this sounds - it is quite stressful because it brings much change which the fixed signs pretty much deplore. The entire transit is unpredictable - ((astro jargon here is "expect the unexpected" which is really very frazzling.
Here is an example.
My husband is a Taur who's partner is a Taur, who is married to a Taurus. All their birthdays are close - they are having this transit now.
Last week this guy (44YO I think he is)had chest pain at work and was taken to the hospital.
Long story short - he is having valve replacement surgery on Friday.
Now of course, this was completely unexpected and this man, my husband and of course the wife are all reeling.
Will he live or die?
Will he come back to work?
*Who* and *how* will he be if he does?
Now this is not to scare you - you are not dying, this is just a very handy example at how *everything* is changing for these Tauri, and they are never going back to before this happened.
Let me hit on this guy's chart so I don't scare the Taurus - death comes into this picture because of *his* chart.
His N Uranus is in the 8th house (death / rebirth) and so this is the STAGE for this transit. (he also has a taur sun, scor moon, T square to Pluto - which means his life is kind of under attack all the time anyway)
"Sudden death" was definitely a possibly here (and still is) - however it is just as likely that he survives and he radically realigns his life via the brush with death.
In his specific case, he has a 6th house sun (heath / diet / Virgo stuff) so he will most definitely stop eating junk for example. He could go from couch potato to jogger. That kind of thing.
If he lives, his view of death (the stage again) will be revolutionized, he will never see it the same way again, he is in a new land on that front and was taken there in a day, or even an hour.
Now he may die, and if he does it will be to get "free".
Yes.
Personally, I believe he has a choice, and because of the nature of Uranus (unpredictable) it is impossible to call what choice he will make. He is under a large amount of stress and may prefer to opt out rather than change. Hey. Taurus *is* that stubborn.
Now - in whatever case - the other two taur (my husband and this guy's wife) will experience rapid change. To illustrate further how this works - my husband has an 11th house Sun and a 3rd house N Uranus (stage). This transit/ event will alter his hopes and wishes and dreams (11th house) and radically change his view of his siblings (3rd house). Easy to see why, right?
more later, but snarky - your N Uranus is in your 1st, so you will be changing how you present. The stage for you is the "me / we" axis. Self centeredness (don't mean that negative) vs sharing. Alone vs partnered. As I said, you are going to experiment with various ways of partnering for the next 7 years. Weird people will look especially tasty. Even tastier than usual I mean. The fast marriage followed by a fast divorce is very strong possibility. You try it out and then say "never mind". You are not especially concerned about others during this time and again, I do not mean this in a critical way. It is imperative to your own personal growth that you have a more detached view for a time, and the people you encounter have their own life happening. IOW - no mistakes are being made here.
posted on January 3, 2001 10:28:41 AM new
That's a great ad, D.!
I also met my DH online~we have been happily married for 4 1/2 years, he is the best thing that ever happened to me. It was a moment of the quirkiest fate. He lived in NYC and I lived in KC~
Now, this is strange....I was searching to get my birth certificate online to confirm my birthtime~ran across some records that now lead me to believe that I may have a brother that my father somehow forgot to mention. He is listed the father, and I am listed as a sibling~yet, I have never heard of this person! hmmmm....
Wow, this thread seems to be causing more and more life changing events all the time!
posted on January 3, 2001 11:47:53 AM new
Okay POTATO!
Here we go, you patient little spud.
Potato has no *real* Leo and so this is not a bruised (ego) spud, due to my delays.
In fact, potato is like junque in that she wants what is best for the group, she is greedy - not!
Potato, you are a Libra, of the advanced type. You have a packed 11th house, which means you are lovely in a group setting. You are the person that people flock to at a party, because they know that you will set them at ease, and while you are at it, erase all of their bad feelings PLUS help them any other way they may need.
Need decorating advice? ask Potato
Relationship advice? Potato knows
Advice on diet / exercise / health in general? ask Potato
Emotional problem? Potato has the fairy dust.
Bored? Potato can fix that right up.
Now this is not a drain for you - it is a major calling, and you are airy enough (detached) do be able to not be dragged down.
You are sexy as hell. Don't care what you *say*. You have a Scorpio rising, Venus and Mars in Scorpio and Uranus in the 8th house and this is a profile of someone decidedly NOT repressed. You mentioned in your post that you gained 10 pounds or something, and that is a joke, because it has nothing to so with being sexy which is an essence / energy thing, which any sex connoisseur could tell you. Now you do have a first house Venus which can be kind of vain and a Virgo Moon that thinks it need be perfect, which is probably where this comes from, but I promise you, no one is seeing that.
Aside from the airy profile Sun, this Scorpio out front sucks and repels.
Yes.
Scorpio energy is like this. You are compelled to come to them while simultaneously feeling repulsed. I realize that this makes your 11th house a little queasy, but it is there just the same. It is a sexual pull, it is also the pull of power. You can stand at the edge of the room and do the Scorpio eye thing (like kitsch1) and here they come. The people who read that vibe that is, which is the only people you are interested in when you are in this mode anyway.
This today, and then tomorrow commune with the Gemini's and I bet you know plenty of them.
I do not have a birth time for Mr. Potato, but he appears to have an Aries Moon conjunct Jupiter which is VERY fiery and well matched to work with your air.
His Sun and Mercury @ 4 Pisces forms a beeeuiuful trine to your 5 degree Scorpio rising, much is working well here.
The "glue" / Saturn that keeps you together is of the kindest kind.
posted on January 3, 2001 12:09:58 PM new
Books?
The funniest astrology book ever written (and not for the easily offended).
Made in Heaven : The Astrology of Relationships : Ideal and Real
by Michael Lutin.
I laughed until I cried, but boy you better brace yourself, because he pulls no punches. Every sign gets brutal treatment but the book is a masterpiece, every single line, and probably one of the funniest things I have ever read anywhere. He has since mellowed and I suppose is better with age, but if you want cutting edge brilliant work - well this is it. I reccommend that you set aside your ego before picking it up.
Gemini astrology - very light fare clippy snips, but also highly accurate - try
Secrets from a Stargazer's Notebook :
Making Astrology Work for You
by Debbi Kempton-Smith
Looks like she has a new version for $21.95. Look for used, this was a $3.95 little pink paperback book when I bought it. I have not seen the new version.
Robert Hand's Planets in transit is a standard. So is Planets in houses, and one that gives an intro to everything is the title I mentioned before "The Only Astrology Book You Will Ever Need" which can take you quite a ways if read carefully.
More advanced - My favorite astrologer authors are Stephen Arroyo, Liz Greene and Howard Sasportas, but you need at least a faint grip on the signs and houses and planets to go here. Arroyo is a Libra and write a lot on relationship, Liz Greene is highly psych oriented and Howard Sasportas goes both ways . He has also passed away, and in his prime. RIP, a marvelous astrologer.
posted on January 3, 2001 12:15:41 PM new
Dejavu~it was ancestry.com which was hooked up to my birth state's records dept. I was just looking around and found this "brother". It seems that my father(to whom I am not speaking to these days~another story) put all this information in this site himself~my husband's name is misspelled in the same way he always misspells it.
Anyway, birth certificate is on the way~hope this thread is still going when it gets here!
posted on January 3, 2001 12:56:44 PM new
VeryModern, I have a question of a general nature but one I have wondered about for years.
Both of my children were induced.I did not go into labor.My son was 6 weeks late and I was huge so had to do it, my daughter was done because I was foolish and let the doctor so the doctor could be "done" for Christmas. I am quite certain that my daughter would have taken a couple more weeks at least to come on her own, only God knows how long my son would have stayed cozy in the womb but since he was not in position it could well have been another week or two.
The question: Does this eary birthing affect them as far as astrology goes?
Daughter has always done well but leads a confusing life, son, smart but somehow drifting. Had I waited for natural birth would that have made a difference? It is almost as though they are living in the wrong sign, does that make sense? I know there are a lot of people out there who were born the same way for one reason or another.Just wondering about the astrological effect.
I don't need an answer right away, just would like to know your take on that.
posted on January 3, 2001 01:14:19 PM new
Thanks VM! I was just positive it would be awful and I'd be french-fried...heh. You're being very kind to my Virgo moon which = worry, right? I'm not embarrassed after all... Now I feel silly as a Potato...LOL! Junque was right.
I still don't have an artistic bone in my body, so forget the decorating...
Fiery is putting it mildly for Mr. Toke. He hasn't bored me in over 30 years. Yum. You must have gotten the right reading, even without the birth time...
posted on January 3, 2001 01:22:32 PM new
Hi rawbunzel - this is an easy one.
The difficult childbirth is shown by your Moon Saturn again.
Moon (the mother, the womb, your roots)
Saturn (difficulty, hardship etc.)
Also the idea that you feel you "broke" it in some way.
Not the case.
Ease up on yourself.
Now, as far as your children - the general astrological perspective is that condition of the birth (including the parents and everything else- their circumstances ) are the choice of the new life. Your kid is no accident or born at the wrong time, this is just not possible.
The life they pick would be perfectly designed to aid and allow (sometimes force) the individual into becoming themselves. If you think about it, most people get beyond the point in their life where they whine and say "what if?" to a point where they say "I would not have had it any other way..." When people start saying this, they have "arrived" in some way.
Now - the conditions of birth show on the ascendant - the "start" of everything.
Here is an example. (get this junque)
My daughter has a Scorpio rising with Pluto in Scorpio conjunct.
She also has Jupiter in Sag (the ruler) in the 1st house which gives supreme protection to the body.
Pluto and Scorpio is of course associated with death (and birth) and intensity and emotional upheaval.
Well I was pretty hysterical during labor, but long story short she was born with a knot in her cord.
The doc, et all gasped and I was told later that she was the 5th he had seen in 500 births and the other 4 babies were stillborn.
My baby was unaffected.
Super charged Pluto in it's own sign on her ascendent gave her a near death experience for a birth.
Super duper Jupiter in sag in it's on sign protected her.
There you go.
Astrology alive.
Did coming into the world this way effect her?
No doubt.
Was it a mistake?
No.
It is part of who she is, and she only passed through me.
posted on January 3, 2001 01:30:42 PM new
Also rawbunzel - regarding not going into labor - the Moon is the mother and does it's thing. Saturn on the Moon thwarts this process. Saturn is control, and on the Moon, will not give it up. Control I mean, so the Moon / Womb can do her thing. Makes things ridgid.
Now your children HAD to be induced to have you for their mother which was their choice.
#2 pick?
There is no #2 pick.
They pick your body to give them what they need to be themselves.
Get it?
posted on January 3, 2001 03:15:54 PM new
Hi toke, I am looking at this and my instinct says that you will prevail. For one thing Venus is in Aries court day, bringing sweet gifts to your husband, for another Saturn will be sitting on your husband's Sun Mercury which will make him appear very serious which judges like. Now if he has been a nasty piece of work (which it sounds like is NOT the case) this would be a time when he would be reamed by a judge.
The thing that gets me, and that puzzles me on this, and makes me NOT certain, is that for sure you are going to be having some upheaval in your home.
This should have already started. I was going to write about it when I was writing about your chart but called away by my kiddos.
Anyway, what I was going to say then, is that although there are definitely some surprises on the homefront, I do think you will *like* them by and large. See, the transit is very favorable to the air signs, which is what you primarily are. (also Aries which is
your husbands MOON, home) Now this does not mean you lose, because you can just as well instigate the changes yourself, having nothing to do with this issue.
OTOH - you may lose and this guy may make your life miserable as you fear, which prompts you to move in which case, believe it or not - you will like it. What I am meaning here is that I think you like the result but it is very likely you arrive at it in an unexpected way.
I did check your specific transits for this time frame I am getting the same thing confirmed - you have a pleasant surprise, but it is a *surprise* toke.
Now the transit (maybe junque can add comments) is T JUPITER conjunct Uranus in the 8th which is sq the N moon. exact June 6th so this is what is prominent at the time.
Now it seems like if you are expecting to win you lose and vice versa, but the way this looks to me, you may have a situation like the Pres election here. Sometimes when you win, you lose and when you lose you win.
Bottom line - here is try not to WORRY Virgo Moon because you and your husband are in good shape "natally" and as I have been saying throughout this thread, by and large the Cardinal's are looking very good this year. (your Libra, his Aries) and I believe you will prevail even if you lose.
I mean it.
If you have a birth time for you husband, send it and perhaps I can see more detail - but I see WIN way more than LOSE.
One other detail - it looks as though your husband has Saturn trine his Moon (cannot be sure without a birth time, but this is probable).
Saturn = judge fear authority
Moon = home, women
TRINE = support.
Now, this would indicate that he would be AFRAID (Saturn adds fear to everything it touches ) that the judge would take his home (or a piece of it which is the same thing) - but the trine promises SUPPORT instead.
This would be a natal thing - like throughout his life, his tendency to be serious and cautious about his home (and his woman - who is also Saturn worried) is the reason it stays stable. This is akin to a guy who is not so stupid as to bet his farm..
Am I making sense?
People who have a Saturn contact to their Moon are always afraid they will be homeless but it never happens because of their FEAR makes them do the right thing. Pay the bills and stuff I mean. Possible they had a struggle like this when they were a kid which is why they are like they are as an adult.
The other thing is @ court time T Saturn is sitting on his sun as I mentioned - stage is N Saturn which again, has a nice and easy support of the moon - home.
Last his Moon is in Aries, Jupiter nearby so he has no problem fighting for it...
posted on January 3, 2001 03:38:55 PM new
Ohhh...that sounds bearable. We both keep thinking we'll lose so a surprise would definitely be winning. OTOH...a move wouldn't be so bad...we are both seriously homesick for the West...tho Mr. Toke would like someplace warm and I long for Montana...which is anything BUT. Guess he deserves to be toasty, being so fiery and all...
Thanks...if I can look at it positively, maybe I can get some sleep. Since they set the date, seems like I never sleep. Thank god I like to read...
BTW...no way to get his birth time, because of the circumstances I mentioned.
posted on January 3, 2001 03:54:04 PM new
Okay - so you both worry, specifically about the HOME (Virgo Moon, and Saturn trine the
Okay so you are both prone to worry, especially about the HOME (Virgo moon and Saturn trine the Moon),but that is all it is.
Worry.
Look at it this way.
If in fact you are forced to live with a jerk underfoot, at that point you will be *free to leave.
You really will like the result and you will see the benefit right away - not like Saturn, suffer and later appreciate. This is Jupiter and Uranus - big surprise and instantaneous. Could be insurance related by the way. Something to do with other peoples money. Inheritance is another possibility but again - this is a pleasant surprise - nothing that rips your guts out. You have an angel on your shoulder toke, you really do.
posted on January 3, 2001 04:07:02 PM new
VeryModern,I'm looking for the threads.Here is the first one.You came on the scene.
http://www.auctionwatch.com/mesg/read.html?num=28&thread=19004&id=19004
I'll be back.
posted on January 3, 2001 04:18:45 PM new
Heres another,Started by Bitsandbobs.
http://www.auctionwatch.com/mesg/read.html?num=28&thread=33397&id=33397
posted on January 3, 2001 04:20:53 PM new
oh junque - what a trip, I can't read it.
It would be like being in a movie. If I was, I could never watch it.
posted on January 3, 2001 04:28:12 PM new
Oh!
I just popped into that one and toke I accused you of being sexy then too.
Thanks junque. I hope the bit about Aquarius mailmen is in there.
People with Uranus transits read about that. My old pal with the Libra Moon who could not decide whether or not to shave her legs and so shaved just one of them for months..
I am going to eat dinner.
Ravioli, but we call it Rav around her because of gem daughter.
