posted on December 21, 2000 03:17:02 PM new
I don't post often, although I lurk here through out the day.
I don't know if I believe in astrology~but I must say that I have enjoyed this thread more than most~it has been a very pleasant and interesting read.
I want to thank VM for all her time and energy she has put into this. You seem to be a very giving and open person and your energy here speaks to the enthusiasm you have for this subject.
Can you recommend any sites or people who can provide readings? I don't want to add to the list of people who are probably knocking at your email door about this, but it would be interesting to me to learn more.
posted on December 21, 2000 03:31:30 PM new
Good day VeryModern.Yes,I am over due for a overhaul.The hair is too long,And twisted on top of the head.Need to change out my glasses,(out dated)Small stuff.
Two people even (a man - Mars and a woman - the Moon). These could be estates of people you do not know, so don't get thinking that people close to you are passing.
I may know the latter already and it is overdue.This will be a good thing.
The scarest thing you have said so far is being in public.And to this,I have no clue.
That rough 78-82 period,I could do no wrong.Bigger and better each move,Lot of hard work and study on my part.A sweetie in every port.... Cant do some of that anymore,Nor would I want to.Damn...Gettin old just slows you down.But ahhhhhh the memories are worth the whole trip.
posted on December 21, 2000 05:10:25 PM new
mimigigi - here is one place to start.
http://www.thezodiac.com/ From there you will no doubt find links.
This guy has been working on this site for more than 5 years - he is seriously over-educated and passionate for Jung and Astrology in equal proportion. He is an excellent astrologer and last time I was there I saw a massive amount of material he has put up for beginners.
If you missed last thread - don't go anywhere without your chart - you can calculate it here:
http://www.astro.ch/cgi-bin/atlw3/aq.cgi?lang=e
Type in the city where you were born and it will walk you through. I think the option "show chart" is down about 1/2 way.
Oh damn - I just re-read your post and you do not want to read, you want to be READ. Sorry.
I do not know anyone to recommend off the top of my head - but try Dr. Z, the link above. If he is willing - he is a terrific astrologer.
posted on December 21, 2000 05:21:47 PM new
junque - it could also be an insurance settlement or even a lottery. Both of these things (as well as stuff from the dead) are "other people's energy" and fit with the 8th house. You know. It is a pool of other people's money in a slot machine.
Anyway - all this stuff is up your Scorpio alley, so no problem.
On the public thing I would not worry too much. It is the sun up there - so you will shine and all the Scorpio power - it is not like someone is going to try to pick you off or something, they wouldn't dare.
xardon - my husband is reading the thread and he no doubt caught the comment. I really appreciated it, but I would not flaunt it to him. The last thing I need is him pulling on my reins.
I be good out here.
posted on December 22, 2000 08:03:27 AM new
Yo Joe!
You are quite correct regarding your environment. You are a Pisces rising, with ruler Jupiter very well placed conjunct Mercury and your ascendent in the 1st house. There is more, I will get to it.
>Translation of the the astrology - Pisces is ruled by Jupiter so having Jupiter in Pisces is a superb placement. Further, on the angles (houses 1, 4,7 and 12) are always pronounced>
In the 1st house specifically - this gives grand protection to the body. It also gives a big grin and quite often makes you preachy. I do not mean this in a bad way. Particularly placed in it's own sign - Jupiter is going to behave beautifully. Your message would be both high minded and visionary. Jupiter in Pisces is a seer.
Okay back to your environment and negative energy. Your moon is in Aquarius which would normally be quite detached and scientific. However, in your case it is placed in the 12th house (Pisces house) which makes it a honorary Pisces Moon and so we have a coda situation where you are merging all the time.
Moon = your home, 12th house / Pisces = without boundaries - like the ocean - it has no edges.
On the upside this makes you a super empathetic person, on the downside, this is not always in your best interest as you find yourself feeling other peoples feelings and when their feelings are lousy - well you get the picture.
Another thing going on in your chart is a strong STRONG tendency toward fantasy - particularly in love (sex too). You have the Venus / Neptune square - like I do, but your Venus is not in Leo so scratch the acting thing - this is not your gig. Your Venus tends to sacrifice itself, to be deluded and to delude. You will have to work exceedingly hard to stay conscious of your own tendency to help people in relationships deceive you.
Go back to the Billy story - there is much we have in common. Billy was a coke head and since I was an ex coke head this SHOULD have been completely obvious to me. I could say that Billy tricked me and that I am a victum here, but as a matter of fact, I did not want to see the obvious and this is because I am strongly attracted to a romantic ideal that is an illusion. I like to live in love paradise, see, and so I see what I want to see and I erase the rest. People like me and you have major erasers at our disposal, and a pal of mine used to tell me - "use the glasses". This was her way of telling me to specifically and deliberately inspect very closely what / who I was involved with.
I hated doing this of course because for years as soon as I did - my dreamy love movie was gone and in it;s place foul worms crawling around. This is what happens when the Venus Neptune veil drops, and it is devastating which is why we try to prolong the inevitable as long a possible and then tend to scream about how we have been lied to and victimized but in truth the problem and it's solution has to do with us.
On the other astrologer - I do not see the public thing at all - to me it looks at though you present yourself in a very upbeat manner - magnanimous really.
Less obvious - I do see the depression thing, but think the 10 year idea was completely out of whack and I also do not think you would have been particularly aware of this taking place. That may sound weird, but it is not. It would have taken the form of being your subconscious motivation to make various choices.
This is the deal with planets in the 12th house. They act in an ultra ethereal manner and are so hard to grab. Kind of like grabbing soap bubbles, they are in your hand and then there is nothing there. This does not mean they are not real or important it means that they are slippery concepts and energies - very difficult to deal with day to day in a earthly way. In fact as soon as you understand them they are gone. Again. Like tide. I comes up and touches your toes on the beach and then it is gone almost like it never was.
If this leaves you will questions - email and I will try to answer them.
edit for spelling
[ edited by VeryModern on Dec 22, 2000 08:04 AM ]
posted on December 22, 2000 09:55:36 AM new
VeryModern,When you talk of Billy,I think of Alley McBeals Billy.He couldnt decide on his wife Georgia or his childhood girlfriend Alley.And then his brain tumor caused him to act eratic,Hanging with the 5 women because they made him look good.He bleached his hair white,(looked good)And the big finale,He died in the court room in the arms of his old lover,Professing his undieing love to her.Just like a man!
Its good you gave your Billy room,He was gonna take you down with him.Bad boys never know when to pull up,They just crash.I think we all had our Billys.Your Prince was around the corner.Has the trekie gotten into Dark angel?
posted on December 22, 2000 10:14:22 AM new
The trekkie is a deadhead too. He is a Taurus sun in the 11th so he does this fringe group thing. He is not a druggie. He had his bout, but nowhere near as extensive as my own. I am the extremist - he is much more sane.
Whatever it is, and it is plenty - we are better together than apart and we both know it. I have my freedom urges, hell I want to bolt once a month at least, but I would not even get a block away. There is nothing better out there (for me). It is just not possible.
Till death do we part.
posted on December 22, 2000 03:22:31 PM new
Yo JOE - here is some MO!
I think you have to live your sun and satisfy your moon. Since I have said this so many times now, I will elaborate.
Your Sun, it's sign, it's house placement and it's aspects show what you have to do to feel vitally alive. Your Moon OTOH shows what you need to feel nurtured. It is your emotional state.
In this culture, we are ego centered. It is far more important WHO you are than HOW you feel. Consider how we worship those who achieve and succeed in this culture (this would be a function of the SUN. It is a MALE.) A successful actor for example, or how many people think about how Bill Gates feeeeels, ya know? This years model. Do we care if she is happy? No. We only know that she is on top.
Now we do not bestow the same honor on someone who may have a less flamboyant Sun profile, but as a matter of fact is blissful on an emotional level. Happy, serene, etc. They may live in a trailer park but by a different standard, they are more successful than the guy/gal in the posh neighborhood because they have peace. This is the MOON and it is a female.
interlude
>>The Vedics (Indian astrologers) consider the aspects to the Moon way more important than the sun. The Sun is an afterthought. They judge the quality of a life by the Moon because they do not think a life is worth much if you live it feeling like crap even if you are rich, or hugely successful in some way.
"????? forget his name at the moment" Downey Jr. is a perfect example.
Anybody want his Moon profile?
EOI
The last thing to say on this is that the Sun is what people see and know about you. The Moon is what only you and people closest to you know is true about you. It is covert.
Okay --- so some people have it easy. My sun and Moon are in the same sign, in the same house and with the same aspects. This means that what you see is what there is. NO conflict. I am a one trick pony.
The next situation, just as easy and preferable really because then all your eggs aren't in one basket and you aren't so overwhelming to people (including yourself) - is a Sun Moon trine or sextile. (these are angles - aspects that are considered "easy". Say you are a Sag with a Leo Moon. Sag wants to travel and Leo wants to be seen, so you get a on camera job with 60 minutes and there you go. You are happy, your needs are met.
Okay, but what it the sun and moon do not agree? (astrology - the square or opposition)
This is the condition that many people live with. The majority. Too bad I can't do math or I would give you the number. These people have to juggle. Home and career - commitment vs love of freedom, being a private individual who also craves a stage, etc. etc, etc.. Lots and lots of folks like this, and all that can be done is what I say. LIVE your SUN but SATISFY your MOON. If it can't be done simultaneously then do one then the other then the other then the other but never ever deny either or contentment will elude you.
Most people like their Sun sign. I was in a workshop once and the presenting astrologer asked who in the room liked their Sun signs and virtually every one in the room raised their hand. Then he asked same about the Moon and less than 1/3 of the hands went up and I was rather astounded. This underscored the idea that we are ego centered and would like to amputate our emotional natures in large part. We do not honor them. Heck - if you can get a result like that in a group like the one that was there... well it made an impression on me.
Just for the record - we do not like our appearance either by and large. I cannot count how many people reject their ascendent / rising sign. They argue it must be the wrong math I am using and stuff.
Okay - this is very long, but the short story here is that I know the answers to all your questions, but they will make more sense if you have a better understanding of where I am coming from.
posted on December 22, 2000 03:53:53 PM new
Okay Joe - the book for you is "The Astrological Neptune and the Quest for Redemption" by Astrologer extraordinaire - Liz Greene. This is a dense book - thick with astrology, myth and high level psych. I think it is packed with about a billion keys you can use.
I do not have my copy handy, I am going by memory but if you get this book and the astrology references boggle you, (they are advanced) then go to the section on Venus Neptune and you will find it relevant and fascinating that you should start to absorb and then you can go back to page one and read cover to cover.
When you are done you will be very will be shocked at how much you know. Much of it you already know, but this book with help you gain access and take it forward.
posted on December 22, 2000 07:24:32 PM new
Okay Joe I have been tossing your questions around and I will try to answer them with out so much blathering on.
Yes, I think you have to do the preachy thing to fulfill your life. Actually I don't see how you can avoid it.
There are multiple indications of this - here are a few of them. Be advised that we are talking strictly about your Sun here. The Moon and your mood comes later and is quite a different animal.
Okay, so why preach? (you can write a book or preach from a web site by the way, but public speaking works too)
Pisces must serve.
Jupiter well placed in Pisces and it in the first house which means it is amplified. The ascendant between the 12th and 1st house is where it all ends and starts again. Planets in the first house, associated with the first sign, Aries, are on steroids. They have just burst onto the scene and they are full of piss and vinegar.
In your case you have dragged JUPITER (the greatest benefic) in PISCES - (the highest vibration in the zodiac) from the 12th house where everything is unclear - into the bright light and new beginning of the first house and I gotta say - it's not there to lay down and die or be part of the decor. It has a message.
Okay - further evidence, would be that it is conjunct talking planet Mercury which together with Jupiter means BIG VOICE.
Want more?
Placed in Pisces - keywords - compassionate, intuitive, emotional, etc. so you are not going to be preaching the best way to build a mousetrap or something equally mundane. Your message is inspirational. You have to lift people up.
More evidence?
Your Sun is in the 1st house, another strong placement because you have an Aries Sun in the Aries house. This does not describe a passive individual.
You have sag / Jupiter on the midheaven. Sorry. This is more preachy high ideals to the public. Do we have a theme yet?
Mars (ruler of your sun) is in Leo (great fire placement for fiery Mars) in the 5th (fire house) which means you heat up a stage like nobodies business.
There you go.
Yes.
You have to preach.
Jupiter rules publishing and Mercury writes. Just FYI
I will deal with the Moon next.
Tell me if you want me to stop.
posted on December 23, 2000 02:13:57 AM newVM, I know you're a busy lady but I was wondering if you got anything more on my chart about health, family or changes? Thanks if you've got the time!!
Mouse
~~MouseSlayer is not a cat =^..^= ~~
[ edited by mouseslayer on Dec 23, 2000 02:16 AM ]
posted on December 23, 2000 12:52:01 PM new
This is for the "working mommy" who wrote me.
I am sorry this has taken so long to write, but I have been thinking about your son on some level all day.
I am very confident that his problems although at the moment are intense will resolve themselves, first one then the other then the other. He is no doubt depressed at the moment, but he is at the very height of this now. There is an eclipse on Christmas in Capricorn which should provide a modicum of relief (or even a major breakthrough) but the low mood will persist into March at which time you will see it begin to move out, and by the end of April this will be behind him.
As I mentioned, I suspect that his dreams are giving him a problem. His dreams will have a profound effect throughout his life. They will be both fruitful *and* bothersome, but at this moment it is the latter.
When he is older, and more mature his rich dream life, can provide him many gifts, but at his age and at the moment it is chaos outside of his control which throws him for a loop. I don't know what to suggest other than to be gentle.
(This is his supreme desire btw - control - he goes wacko when he does not have any)
You can help by letting him be what he is - a leader. Your kid will never take orders well because he was born to give them.
He is extremely good with money - if this was my kid I would assist him in starting a business because this is what he was born to do. Build and empire one block at a time. Like a beaver.
Show him a mountain. Make sure it is completely out of whack to his size. Next, get out of his way because believe me he will know what to do and he will want to do it alone. The less help he has and the harder it is the more he thrives. This is Capricorn in a nutshell. They thrive when their are obstacles to overcome. They are masters of difficulty and hardship, this is *the* song that they sing best, and this is the movie until 29 YO and really I mean 35YO which is when Saturn matures.
If he is "lazy" it is because he does not see the purpose in what he is being asked to do. This is a "show me the money" type kid. I mean real MONEY, but also POSITION. He would do the work at school if it meant he would be promoted and advance in prominence somehow. I hope you can find a way to relate this.
Also - mountain climbing (or rock climbing - even better) would be an ideal sport for him. He has natural ability and an ethereal side to him and many rock climbers report spiritual experiences clinging to the face of a mountain by their fingertips. Slow and careful progress - he is way more suited to this than the usual soccer or other running sport opportunity.
The last thing I would say is that his success (later in life) is guaranteed. Your son will rise to the top like cream, but I am afraid you may have to witness some suffering along the way. This is how a Capricorn builds the character they are famous for and this process - separating cream from the rest is a slow one. Just keep the idea of the mountain in the front of your mind. If you run up the side of a hill, the reward is fleeting. If you painstakingly climb - well that victory is very sweet.
I predict that you son with have a lot of money and a lot of power and if you are lucky he will not get either until he is at least 28 1/2. His life is L-O-N-G by the way - he could live to 100 and so 30 years is a drop in his bucket.
posted on December 27, 2000 08:26:27 AM new
Okay, I am back to bat clean up here.
About the lyin' Gemini's the wee bit of Libra in my chart cannot let this rest without presenting the Sagittarius side (Sag opposed Gemini in the zodiac) to provide balance.
It is true that Gem lies, but it is also true that Sagittarius ought to, at least part of the time, lie ar at the very least consider when to STOP telling the truth. As difficult as it is for Gem to see the harm in a lie or two to three here and there - Sag struggles with the notion of truth telling being destructive to another person.
So to twist this backwards - Gemini folk are is very entertaining, quick and brilliant conversationalists. Partial credit goes to their ability to tell a tall tale. Saggiatuious "truth" is at times inflicted on others and I have two handy examples.
First is one of my sisters - a double Sag (Sun and Moon in Sag) who came home one morning as her husband was getting ready to go to work. Now she liked this guy plenty - in fact, although they are divorced they have remained friends to this day - some 15 years after the fact (making friends of old lovers is a also a Sag trait btw).
Anyhow, she comes home and says to him "I don't know any other way to say this but I slept with two of your friends last night."
What she meant is - "I don't know any other way to say this besides BLUNT and BLURT it OUT but the TRUTH will set us FREE".
Ouch.
Okay, so what about telling the truth RELENTLESSLY?
I was dating this guy who was a Sag rising. I had met him in a restaurant - we were having a "BIG DATE". In fact, he had planned to propose to me on this night. This b****** actually had a ring in his pocket, and here is what happened instead.
We are sitting in booth, having our love movie thing and he spies someone he knows sitting at a table behind me, out of my line of sight. This woman was / is a local celebrity - pretty much a household name in the area, at a level akin to a local news person, although she is an entertainer. So he says "Look there is XXXXXX over there. We had sex once".
"Huh?"
"We had sex once."
"Why are you telling me this?"
"It was at a party."
"Uh... I don't want to hear this.." My cheeks start to heat up. I gulp. I hope he stops.
"It was not that big a deal"
"I don't want to hear about it."
"It was only one time. She is a lesbian, uh... mostly."
"I really don't want to hear about this."
"I can't believe this bothers you, it's no big deal."
On that note, I stand up get my purse and coat and leave him with the salad on the table.
He follows.
Guess what he says on the way through the door?
"IT WAS JUST A xxxx xxx" and again with the "She's a lesbian!"
I drive off leaving him at the curb.
Later, he justifies this "I love you, and I want to get married and I want you to know everything about me."
See it does not matter if *I* want to know or not. The truth may be told but not for my benefit.
In hindsight, I still think this guy needs to learn to shut up.
In hindsight he still thinks that the truth with set us free. Probably thinks I am hopelessly hung up.
edit to remove offensive phrase.
sorry. I was quoting, not thinking.
edit again to respond re: the caps.
He was speaking in a loud voice when he said this, and relentlessly pursuing me, insistent that I know the whole truth, and so it was part of my point. The caps were used to imply that he would not let go, not for shock value.
In fact, he was a Virgo and if I had not gotten out of there he probably would have provided further detail such as time elapsed during encounter, etc etc etc
[ edited by VeryModern on Dec 27, 2000 09:15 AM ]
[ edited by VeryModern on Dec 27, 2000 09:24 AM ]
posted on December 27, 2000 09:09:14 AM new
VeryModern,
Your last post is quite interesting, but it does contain a phrase that we don't allow here because it is too explict. I really hate to delete a post that you obviously spent some time composing simply because of two words. Please go back and edit. You can get the message across, but say it in a less explicit way. I'm sure you understand what I mean.
I'll allow one hour for the edit. Otherwise, I will regretfully have to delete your post.
Edited to add: Posting the phrase in caps really draw one's eyes to the post. You might want to reconsider that, too.
Pat
[email protected]
[ edited by pattaylor on Dec 27, 2000 09:11 AM ]
posted on December 27, 2000 09:20:07 AM new
For the record, Pat, that phrase has been used here before, more than once, without moderation. In fact less than a week ago in a couple of the political threads, referring to Clinton's..umm...adventures. I do realize you may not have been the moderator on duty at the time, and that may have been why the poster was not asked to "modify" her post.
posted on December 27, 2000 10:50:52 AM new
VeryModern
Thanks for the edit.
KatyD,
I'm sorry, I must have missed the other posts where that phrase was used. We can't read all the posts, and it's possible that either the Moderator on duty didn't find it offensive or that no one read those specific posts.
posted on December 27, 2000 11:03:53 AM new
back to post for Yo Joe as promised.
Regarding what I wrote:
>>Less obvious - I do see the depression thing, but think the 10 year idea was completely out of whack and I also do not think you would have been particularly aware of this taking place. That may sound weird, but it is not. It would have taken the form of being your subconscious motivation to make various choices. >>.
Your interpretation of what I wrote is utterly correct but besides that version there are many many others. An infinite number really. To nail something like this to the wall would be akin to having a dream (good or bad it doesn't matter) and then describing exactly how it impacted the next day or the next week or the rest of your life.
Say you have a nightmare and so you are a little cagey the next day.
*How* cagey, and what else???
Riddle me that Batman.
Things in the 12th house / Pisces do not have definition. We are back to the ocean again and it can't be mapped.
Specific to your chart, here is the astrology version of what I am trying to convey.
You have selection of the planets in your 12th house. They are yours, this is you. You most definitely have a signature "depression" in there. (junque - Saturn Moon conjunction, Venus too). Now outside of Jupiter and Neptune which love the 12th house, anything placed in there is going to both wreak havoc and provide gifts while managing to be very well hidden from the individual. This is because it is not going to show up in tangible life even though it may be driving everything.
A gross example of this would be someone who puts on 50 pounds in a year because they are depressed although there has been no event (a death or whatever). Very probably this person has no idea that they are suffering from a low mood. It may be clear that this is the case to one and all EXCEPT the person themselves. Think "nebulous depression".
Your version of living with this aspect is quite inspired and I was completely impressed. It rings true to me (as opposed to delusional which is also a 12th house thing) because all the components are there. It is as if you just happen to be able to use the materials on hand to make a masterpiece and I tip my hat.
The last thing I would do here is quote Liz Greene who writes in another book (not Neptune) that "consciousness is always a struggle". This is particularly true in your case and I would recommend that at the very least you ask yourself "am I afraid? and "of what?" from time to time in an effort to better access and integrate the energy of your 12th house which is pronounced. You Moon is there and you must satisfy her.
Tips on that?
You know the women's magazines or Oprah - how they are always saying to make some space for yourself. Get in a tub, light candles and stuff to feed your psyche and what not?
I LMAO at that.
Gawd what a bore.
Me? Gimme something to dissect, preferably a psyche, a family dynamic , etc. and man oh man I am in hog heaven. My needs are met. I am both vitally alive and I feel marrvvvvelous, darling.
You?
Get the candles. You need the down time, and you need periods of seclusion. This is critically important. Also clear out everything nasty from you home, like coda should. Make a sweep on a routine basis, and make the people you live with respect how important this is for you. Feed that Moon or she is going to cause you problems you can't even see.
One last thing.. (this is for 12th house Saturns out there)
If you have bad dreams - recognize immediately that these are what you are afraid will happen, not what is going to happen. This is your personal natural method of processing unconscious fear, or more succinctly - "hologram fear". Let them alone. Like a temporarily swollen node, it means it is working.
posted on December 27, 2000 12:01:16 PM new
Another detail.
Someone asked about the president dying when elected during years ending in zero.
The astrological correlation to this is the conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn.
Astrologer Henry Weingarten writes:
>>>>
5. SATURN-JUPITER 2000, The Presidential "Death Cycle"
Every twenty years, the planets Jupiter and Saturn combine together in the sky, signaling a general political and governmental shift. Almost all of these conjunctions are in earth signs, the ones most involved in practical matters such as these. It just so happens that they are landing on even numbers, and every so often one lands in an election year. This is one of those years. Although things do change around the world, this seems to have an adverse affect on United States presidents - they tend to die.>>>>>
There you go.
edit to fix wrap and ponder why bold is not showing up.
[ edited by VeryModern on Dec 27, 2000 12:08 PM ]
edit to remove [b]'s. Thanks Irene.
[ edited by VeryModern on Dec 27, 2000 12:27 PM ]
posted on December 27, 2000 01:46:39 PM new
I remember reading somewhere that there is a specific curse on zero year presidents. Supposedly from Native Americans. Hard to imaigine what they would be hurt about... It would not surprise me if those seven escaped convicts are headed to give GW a visit. I bet they got more than money at that sporting goods store. Probably loaded up on high powered rifles. They were short on them from the prison weapons.
posted on December 27, 2000 06:34:54 PM new
Yo Joe - good thing I am not being paid because the obvious eluded me and I would be slapped stupid with a claim of astrological malpractice and convicted by my peers in 2 seconds for talking about your 12th house while neglecting to mention that Uranus was T and with 2 degrees of your heap 0' planets in there.
I am sorry.
It does not change one word I wrote except the whole deal in there is now plugged into an electrical outlet.
Translated that means this.
Remember somewhere on this thread I wrote about something lying dormant in a chart / personality and then coming to life in living color when a transit contacted?
This is that.
T Uranus is conjunct (in Aquarius same degree of your Moon / Saturn Venus conjunction) and that means the whole of what is going on in there is due to BURST into you consciousness. We are not talking slow and seeping here, but as quickly as switching on a light and having it go from dark to light. This may not give a comforting feeling, but fact is that it is a heck of an opportunity. How often do you get a peek like this? Every 84 years. Yes. This is how long it will take Uranus to transit the zodiac. Be awake and let it come, because you can't stop it, your number is up.
I have already written some about Uranus transit to Junque and it all applies to you also, but in the realm of the 12th house. The purpose being liberation and what not. You are in the thick if this now with the transit "applying" (means coming to the exact conjunction) which is exact basically the entire month of January and most of February. You get a slight break as Uranus passes your degrees and then it turns retrograde and recovers the same ground before turning direct again an crossing your degrees for the last time, leaving you soundly in your new land. (end of 2001)
interlude (not specific to Joe)
an example of this would ba a transit goes direct and a spouse leaves home.
on the retrograde leg, they go back and take care of biz - perhaps file for a divorce
on the last / direct pass the divorce becomes final and there you go, they are soundly in their new land.
This is also not specific to Uranus, but all transits.
end of interlude.
Like Junque, your natal Uranus is in your 6th house and so Virgo stuff (health, diet, service to people) is a major stage through this.
keywords..
Uranus - quick liberating revolutionary
mix that with
Moon - emotion, mood, mother, home
Saturn - fear, pair, restriction
Venus - love, money , beauty
What you get (one example) is
LIBERATED FROM YOUR FEAR
- but first you have to discover that you're afraid, and when you do the first reaction is shock and electrified fear. Please do what you can to understand the purpose because it will be well worth it in the long run.
You will like your new land as much as junque will like hers, but you've gotta lighten your load to get from here to there.
I guarantee you will look back from the other side of this (and it can take 7 years to truly appreciate the changes they take place so quickly) and you will positively QUAKE at the thought of having to go back to living as you were. Not that it will take 7 yrs to appreciate - but 7 yrs to realllly grip the whole of what has happened. Like someone (theoretical) who has spent a lifetime in jail walks free one day but does not quite understand all the nuances of this just outside the gate. Later, after they gain some distance do they see there situation with clarity. This phenomena is what I refer to.
One more thing.
When Uranus winds up in Aquarius - it moves through Pisces, electrifying all your Pisces planets and finally winding up with your Aries Sun in roughly 2011.
What I am trying to say is that you are going to have a very interesting 10 years, and that is such an understatement, it's a joke.
posted on December 27, 2000 06:47:34 PM new
VM, can you do another one on me? To tell me what the new year will be like for myself? I would love to read it because you have such humor and style when you tell horoscopes. So, do you need my info again?
posted on December 27, 2000 07:01:43 PM new
maui - send the info again. I have it but don't know where it is.
I looked under maui and Maui and did not pull you up in my software, so you must be under another name for reason non-specific. Knowing me, I could have typed Hawaii Libra Chick or something.
I am *that* bad, even a computer can't help me.
posted on December 27, 2000 08:21:15 PM new
Hawaiian libra chick? LOL! I would email you but I dont know your addy. Did you look under FLUFFY mauimoods? not just Maui? Or, you can email me at aol.com. Dont forget the MOOD part though, lol.
posted on December 27, 2000 08:28:59 PM new
VeryModern,Howdy!Glad to see you in well form.I await my release,And the zap into the new place.I have been stagnet,For a while.Maui is right,You have a way with words,And how to explain the different transits,And affects and effects.You share yourself with people, and have a full plate.This is appreciated by many,And I am tickled you are here.Just wanted you to know.
posted on December 28, 2000 06:34:44 AM new
Thanks maui and junque, I appreciate the fb. I have wrote so much on this thread and wondered 100 times if I was talking to myself. 100 times I decided to just say a little more. One time on the Ebay board I threatened another poster "keep flattering me and I will really tell you what I think" and that was no joke.
posted on December 28, 2000 10:56:00 AM new
maui - no data yet - bigfoot is fairly poor mail
junque - I cannot believe you did not offer a quip regarding those big mouth Sag's.
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This is for the gal from KC. You can step up and claim your chart if you wish - I will not id you.
I terribly regret this, but I have to place a disclaimer on what follows. I am working with a birth time "noon". When someone offers a birth time like this it is almost always an estimate. How wide is the discrepancy? I have no idea, but in your case KC, "noon" gives a Capricorn Moon" but 11:50a gives a Sag Moon which is of course an entirely different person. I have had two children and I know that the last thing on your mind when you are trying to get a baby out of your body is 10 minutes here or there, but when it comes to astrology it is critical.
So... the upside is that I can be pretty sure that you are a Cancer rising, because approx. an hour in either direction of "noon" still gives a Cancer rising, but I am in trouble again because Cancer is ruled by the Moon, which means the Moon is chart ruler and it's position is suspect. Arrrrrrgh. I am going to try to interpret around this to a large extent and where I 'touch" the Moon I will just hope I am not talking about the baby that was born down the hall, 10 or 12 minutes older than you are. I am sorry - I just really feel like my hands are tied some and I need to report it. It is hard to write with confidence, but I am going to try, mostly because you are a very nice person.
end of disclaimer
So you want to re-invent yourself?
Good idea.
You have just been liberated from a bunch of fear and various other psychological complexes, probably having to do with your father. It may be too soon for your to have assimilated this yet - I imagine your boat got rocked like "the Perfect Storm" but you will be / have been freed whether you know it yet or not.
So.
Now that you don't have to do what / or be what he said you are or should be - what shall you be instead?
Very good question.
As I have already said, I think that we are supposed to discover our true natures and live them. This is our job and we have (and we need) our whole lives get there. Sorry, but sometimes you have to puke up this or that to do this. (apology to maui )
Take your own path and die in peace.
Take someone else's idea of your path and I promise you a miserable life. Not only your own but the people who have to be around you.
interlude
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btw - according to astrology anything and everything you do before about 27.5 - 29.5 is for free. It does not count for good or ill. You hit 30 though, and you had best clutch it up and define what kind of adult that you want to be. Miss this boat and you will literally pay for the next 28 years.
Anyone doubt this?
How about boy wonder rich boy, or child star who fades into oblivion.. See, it does not count.
You have to pull a Jody Foster (Scorpio) and define yourself which is what she did when she went to school. She wanted to be an intelligent adult who was taken seriously and so she went and got herself some credentials and now she is smart, cute, talented, *and* has a baby any damned way she pleases.
end of interlude.
Okay KC, so in front of me is the chart of a leader. Extremely hard working and always wanting and willing to do the "right thing". Smarter than your boss and I sorely hope you do not even have one because you ARE the boss. I doubt you give yourself enough credit. You have a fair amount of luck and are far more intelligent that people might guess. If you are familiar with the current idea of "emotional IQ" you are a leader on this front. Very high minded, as a matter of fact you are about the perfect neighbor / associate I could dream up.
Let's see.
You have integrity
You are going to give generously, both ideas and energy.
You are a solid member of any group.
You care.
You help.
Your life is very public by the way. You will always be seen, a pillar of the community of sorts, and I would think well loved.
I bet that you appear very "normal". It is interesting to me that all the outer planets which account for things out of the realm of ordinary all fall in the lower half of your chart, interior rather than exterior. This means that all your quirks are personal.
So, as far as the "new you", there is a map. Your natural self is pretty dang good. I could easily see you building a house for Habitat for Humanity .Even better I could see you raising the money for other people to build 10 of them (and you will still swing a hammer). You are another one who has to serve, but you can do this by leading. In fact, when you follow you are wasting supreme talent.
I hope you are a parent.
Last, I hardly ever report anything like this, but 2003-4 looks like you could get a windfall. Inheritance or perhaps you just win a bunch of money or get a huge opportunity. If this happens you should turn around and give it away in some part, if not large part. You will get it back double (at least) and "security" won't be the point anyway.
Regarding your very classy offer to me, my answer to you is that anyone who would think of giving to a charity in these circumstances is well equipped to pick a worthy one. Do what you want and write VeryModernKC on it.
Be well and be proud.
Cant do some of that anymore,Nor would I want to.Damn...Gettin old just slows you down.But ahhhhhh the memories are worth the whole trip. 
. Say you are a Sag with a Leo Moon. Sag wants to travel and Leo wants to be seen, so you get a on camera job with 60 minutes and there you go. You are happy, your needs are met.