posted on December 19, 2000 08:04:13 PM new
mouse - there is always more. People are endlessly and deliciously complex. I am skimming, and then writing about what is either most obvious or most enjoyable for me to write about - also trying to avoid being repetitive on the thread when possible, which has been easy so far this go round.
I could take one chart and literally write about it for the rest of my life.
I mean that. I am working strictly with a glance at a natal chart - planets and houses. From there you can add midpoints, and various other charts. Solar return, lunar return, various types of progressed charts, solar arc, the Vedic chart on and on and on and on. This kind of work becomes very time consuming and is not on offer.
What are you looking for? If I can grab it for you without terrific time and effort, I will.
posted on December 20, 2000 05:16:19 AM new
VM, I guess the main things I'm looking for are health, family and changes for starters.
And hey, who says all geminis lie? I do agree with the statement that we might just to liven things up. But I'm probably one of the most honest people you would know. There must be something else in my chart that sways that aspect.
I do however constantly strain my computer, it's not unusual for me to have a half dozen things going on at once. Can you imagine how frustrating that was when I was on a 66mhz, 300mg hd, 2400bd modem laptop??
posted on December 20, 2000 06:05:02 AM new
Junque is a trend spotter and a trend starter.
Pluto in the 8th house always always gives grand insight into the collective. Individuals too - but this is less fascinating to junque. Imagine Junque looks out her window and sees her new neighbor coming over. She can discern what is on her neighbor's mind (and heart)just by watching them move toward her, but is more interested on the effect, or ripple through the neighborhood that will follow because of the interaction. What will be the effect if they were to fight (or fall in love)? It is always the collective, the group, the big picture and Junque wants people to advance.
I understand her behavior on these threads now. It is akin to standing in the shadows (much Scorpio) and observing the meeting of a group of people but being fully armed and not missing a trick ever.
When she perceives an individual acting against the group which she expects and wants to be working on the advancement of humanity. She cannot abide this and so steps up to slap a few heads - wave her gun, or just say a few words to guide the group back on track.
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Junque the subtlety here is your Neptunian midheaven. The midheaven shows a persons public image. Libra has to be balanced of course, but it is the neptune that contributes to your movements. The tide rolls in, but it rolls out rather quickly and very reliably.
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Now, back to this gun. Her gun is enormous but I don't think she would ever fire it. This Scorpio in the 11th is too aware the destruction this would cause. She may have fired it a few times and learned this or she may have just known.
Junque, I look at your stellium and note that it starts with the truth (Jupiter) and ends with the truth (Sag). I also note that your Mars is placed in Sag - (opposite my sister) and so no wonder you bristled at the lie thing. Let is be known far and wide - Junque does not lie to get what she wants. Your thought to lie comes from Pisces on the 3rd by the way. 3rd being communication/thinking and Pisces will definitely deceive to spare someone's feelings.
On all this scorpio, I think you are fortunate in some ways that it is placed in the 11th. Makes you ultra FIXED but - like with another chart that was up here, it allows you to detach at times from the intense emotion and see another perspective - intellectual. I note Venus in Scorpio and thing "dead peoples' jewelry" and Jupiter bringing the benefit.
I expect I may have more to say but have to roust my little gal right now.
posted on December 20, 2000 06:57:37 AM new
I say Gemini's lie.
Here is an example.
My sister has a Gemini kid.
He comes home from school with some widget. He is about 6 or 7 YO.
My sister asks him where he got it and he tells her that "Tammy" gave it to him.
Later, she sees "Tammy's" mother and so thanks her.
Tammy's mother does not have any idea what my sister is talking about.
A month later my sister may or may not find out that in fact "Melinda" gave it to him. There is not much use in asking him, is there?
From the Gem perspective - her son did not consider this a lie. He is not thinking about it, it came out of him like breath, and he has told 80 more lies since, and he is very busy at the moment. A confrontation will get you another lie - so why bother. Trying to get a Gem to stop lying is a fruitless pursuit, kind of like trying to get a Leo to quit acting and flipping their hair around, or a telling a Scorpio to lighten up.
Gemini's have 2 lives at least. 2 personas. One of them is an evil twin. Don't tell me, I'll tell you - I live with one. My daughter is a perfect maniac at home but has exemplary behavior at school. To parents of Gemini children - you must invite a friend over if you want some decent behavior IN the house. People with lots of Gemini in the chart have 6, 8 or 10 lives. It is exponential like that.
I have to go but I am going to come back and write about Gemini hell because I saw it once.
posted on December 20, 2000 09:41:48 AM new
Gemini Hell
Gemini's will heave and hyperventilate when they read this, but only briefly because all of them are way to smart to make an error like this.
Once upon a time I was dating a Leo man with a Gemini Moon and a Sag rising. He was very into the rockabilly thing and had taken it allll the way. He waxed nostalgic about 50's values and his home decorated retro. Being an natural actor he had pretty much completely immersed himself in his role, coming home to dawn slippers and a smoking jacket and expect a casserole to be served. He wore this persona very well by the way. He could have been on a postcard. He was DAPPER.
Okay - so here I come.
I am not a Leo, but I have a Leo Venus which means I can act too. One of things I can do excellently well is act as if I a ADORE a Leo man. I am the ideal broach. Not that I know I am acting mind you, but my point is that I am drawn to his movie via my Venus and so into my role I hop. Since I am good at what I do - (and that Leo Venus is Neptune aka as superbly gifted at illusion) it appears to the audience that I am the utterly be all end all perfect compliment to him.
Long term, we are doomed but who cares about that when there is good drama on offer?
We are doomed because in spite of having this Leo Venus - it really is just a streak in my character and the meat lies elsewhere. Venus gets her due - gets to have a little fun - but the rest of me ain't setting up shop here, no way no how. Not that I am thinking this at the time. I am thinking about how good we look.
Later I will realize that he is dating my hair. Yes. And this will piss me off. There are a couple ground rules for dating a Leo man and one of them is that you cannot cut your hair (unless he has Venus in Aquarius in which case you can cut one side of your hair).
Try this at home, if you have a Leo man.
Put your hair up. He will kiss you and reach behind and take it down. Now if you have Venus in Leo, you will realize that the camera is on and you will shake your head so that your very long hair drops and you will have the angle just right too.
If you have Venus in Aquarius - well you might punch the SOB.
I have both. (junque - Venus is in Leo, Uranus is in the 7th - venus house)
This means go ahead and do the hair thing but don't count on tonight's reaction being the same as last nights.
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I am off track here, but I think this is funny and so will post and then try to steer back to the Gemini Hell thing.
To be continued.
[ edited by VeryModern on Feb 3, 2001 11:46 AM ]
posted on December 20, 2000 12:03:19 PM new
Okay - so this guy and I are going along for awhile. Couple months or so which is an eternity really in so many ways in a case like this. He is living 3 lives - well actually 4 lives, but only 3 came together on Gemini Hell night. I had some awareness of these lives but because of my own motivation (I was having fun and I liked the sex) I ignored it. I was his partner in deception is what I am saying. He has Sag so it is was not like he was lying all the time - he was lying some and telling the truth at times without fail. Plus we talked extensively about astrology and he understood his lives himself.
Okay - so the big night is coming.
I think it was his planets in Cancer that did him in. They got mushy and decided he was going to make one big happy family.
MAJOR MISTAKE
There was a concert coming. Rockabilly type stuff, well actually it was that guy who is young and sings like Sinatra whose name I do not recall but I saw him on the Tonight show. some years later and was amused all over again. Whoever he was, he does this kind of period show - Big band and stuff. Not my cup of tea (I am VeryModern!) but I was going to be seen, so what the hell? Plus there is always AFTER the show which is my cup of tea.
He decides to bring DADDY.
To be candid, I think he wanted to parade me in front of Daddy. He wants Daddy to approve (LOL!) and I also think he wanted Daddy to be jealous. This is a fire rising, pissing contest thing. He wanted daddy to see that he is with a dishy dish like me, so who is the big crow now? He feels confident that Daddy will like the music, and so thinks this is an ideal stage.
He forgets all about the fact that Daddy is Catholic and so is he when he with Daddy.
Ut oh.
I am not Catholic.
Now, this guys friends will be at this show too. His clan. Their lives center around this music and retro thing so the coming of this specific artist is an event and they will all be there.
He forgets all about the fact that they are all dopers - coke heads specifically (as we are to learn that he is himself on the days / nights he spends with them).
Ut oh.
Daddy and main squeeze are SOBER.
Billy's gonna have a big night here, don't you think?
I ask him right away if he is sure he wants to collide his lives like this, but his Cancer is sure that he loves everyone so everyone will love each other and the plan is a go.
I think about this and decide not to help him.
I don't do this beehive crap, or 50's period dress anyway, and I make sure his friends understand that I will not be joining this bowling team (shirts) by carefully selecting my uniform.
I recall my sisters words - "wear the right clothes and you don't need to talk".
I was going to assert my independence. Leo Venus may be playing house and making those casseroles for her man but the rest of me says nuts to that.
It is a short black skirt. Quite short, but not tight. Hell no, it swishes just so when I walk. In fact it is heavy and has a scalloped edge so that it will swing. You are supposed to wonder if it is going to swing up when I pass and I am supposed to pretend that I am not aware of
this.
Team with a black turtleneck bodysuit and a cropped little denim jacket (Armani) with a vintage black and rhinestone SNAKE on the lapel because I have coiled up serpent power and I am flaunting it tonight. Black tights NOT sheer as this would tip me from the land of sleek and dangerous to slutty and cheesy.
I wear very plain platform pumps that are not trying too hard. I have a Leo Venus, so I can run in them no problem, in case a camera is rolling and I have to dash across a city street
Do I look Catholic?
Well no, not really.
Billy shows up and he gasps. He probably knows at this point he is dead meat BUT his sag is an optimist and of course the Leo is liking the show and he definitely wants to promenade around with me because by God, I look good and this makes him look good and this is his weakness. My hair is down. I wanted it up, but I do not want to hear any crap about Daddy and these clothes and so I please him instead. I never said I was no manipulative.
I am transported in his chariot which is what all Leo's drive.
Daddy has brought (at Billy's insistence - this is a debut of sorts for him) other family members who are (gasp) even more conservative than Daddy himself. A couple of Aunts and cousins and stuff.
In other words - God and everyone was there.
I am introduced and of course I have nothing NOTHING NOTHING to say to any of them. The father is looking at my legs.
Billy is dyin' but there is really no way to change the course of this evening. The "family" is sitting in a row and our places are at the end of the row. Good thing for Billy as it turns out, because he is going to be mighty busy. We are in the second row, and no one is in the first.
Spare no expense to impress Daddy you know.
After this disaster introduction, Leo escorts me (swishing all the way of course) to the BACK of the venue to meet the friends.
Well lets see.
They look like hippies to me. Not even one of them is "dapper" and I am completely disappointed. This is NOT a group of people you dress for. I am pissed off now (not that it is justified - that is not the point), and decide that I would rather sit with the family than the friends which ought to tell you what a motley group this was. I am pouting some . Poor Billy.
The evening ensues.
Lets see here.
Daddy is not impressed with new main squeeze
Squeeze is not getting enough attention and so has glanced around looking for a meal.
Friends think squeeze is from a land they hope they never have to visit and squeeze cannot particularly tell the difference between friends and a gathering of house flys.
Aunt and whoever else the others are have not been out after dark for a decade or so and are sitting like deer in headlights unsure how to behave and wishing for the remote control so they could beam on home Scotty.
This is not good.
Billy is trying to wait on his queen, while being a 50's values Catholic son who is introducing his new wife to his loving family who adore her, all the while repeatedly running to the back of the theatre to explain to his friends who knows what - I can only imagine.
At first I run back and forth with him and when I do, I glance back toward the the family who are sitting in a row of folding chairs, but when I look the chairs have morphed in to PEW. They actually look like they sitting in a church holding bibles - very straight backed, while some guy sings Sinatra and this strikes me as surreal and very very funny.
This is a good thing because it amuses me and takes a bit of pressure off Billy. I point this out to him and he laughs like hell because it is true and because it is not like we have no affinity at all, and I do feel for him. Thanks to this vision - I am now slightly less high maintenance at least for the moment which is how he is survived all this, one minute at a time. In the back ground Frank is belting out another song. The evening went on forever and I bet you that Billy never ever ever mixed company like that again.
Moral of the story is Gemini's PLEASE for everyone's sake - keep your lives segregated.
[ edited by VeryModern on Feb 3, 2001 11:47 AM ]
posted on December 20, 2000 01:53:25 PM new
xardon - I don't burn out. I thrive in this way, but thank you for wondering, I appreciate it.
The skirt is a good one, but did you know I have a pair of blue suede platform pumps with the Leaning Tower of Pisa on the heel? I call them Leo Bait, but Taur and Scor go for them too. Oh my doin' days..!
It was not Harry Connick Jr. It was a clone - but no piano. This guy played a guitar, now that I recall. He has a very strong following but fringe.
What did I do with Billy?
You had to ask junque and now I am going to have to tell you.
I left Billy, and I am sorry to report that I was quite the #*!@ about it, because I made sure he would never ever ever forget me.
One day I woke up. The relationship was wearing me down and so I thought like Winnie the Pooh that "I must have an escape". His drugs and plus the whole thing between us had become a bit compulsive on both sides. I was trying to rescue him, I used to do this kind of thing back then, and he was quite happy with himself as is. Doom, doom, doom.
Anyway, I picked up the phone and I booked a cruise for me and my 9 MO daughter. It sailed the following morning from FL and we were on it. This means that we left within 20 hours of making the call.
If you want I will tell you about how I stood up the Captain at his dinner (he was also a Leo - but Italian and as I have said, I don't date them) - but this was where Billy and I ended. I thought it would be good if I could not call / be called from a ship and that this would help my perspective. I was also tired from caring for my daughter alone since birth and needed a break, but I also knew it would burn his sag rising *ss since I was traveling and he was not.
As it turned out I was sexually harassed by a waiter in the dining room on the ship, and so I quickly capitalized on this and parlayed the incident into a 2nd cruise (FREE) that left 1 week after we got back.
This means that my daughter visited 9 countries before she was a year old. She has Jup in Sag in the 1st trine a 9th house Leo Moon - yeah baby - she was a travelin' pro.
Anyway - I saw Billy one more time some months later. I called him for sex. He was still a little pissed, but came on over. Part of the reason was because he had a new car and wanted me to see how shiny it was.
People are a trip. Together, we are the finest zoo there ever could be.
posted on December 20, 2000 02:28:06 PM newVeryModern: ROTFLMAO at Gemini Hell!!!
And as I read about the chariot thing, I was thinking, that's wrong, I don't have a chariot. I have a funky old car. Then I remembered my ocean tableau installation on the dash....
posted on December 20, 2000 02:37:03 PM new
Yeah, poor Billy, but the show must go on!
Leo's get into their car regardless of what it looks like AS if it were a coach, particularly men and particularly when they are picking up their date.
A leo man would never ever show up in a dirty car to pick you up. They also open doors and other gentlemanly things and it is very well appreciated. I don't know who those rotten bastards are who let doors shut in your face are since I loathe them so much , but credit to Leo, where credit is due.
posted on December 20, 2000 04:50:50 PM new
Okay - this is for junque.
N= Natal T = transiting
As I know you are well aware - you have an enormous Uranus transit coming. You are going on (another) ride of your life than will take you clear into 2004, you know how to get the dates.
You may not like this so much because it will involve massive change which is truly not your bag. The upside is that the purpose is to liberate and if you keep this in mind, the shocks will be easier to tolerate. That, and understand that post this transit you will be rid of everything that is currently restricting you (even if you think right now that you like whatever that is).
Different from the T Uranus conjunction which you have already lived through, the thing with the square is that when this process is going on, there will be another person involved and people tend to think that it is being done TO them. Like this other person is causing all the upheaval. It is important to see that you are in fact driving, and that you have chose this person(s) to come in with their wrecking ball. This will help you not feel like a victim as well as get the most from the transit.
You might want to go back and review what happened when Uranus T Scorpio and impacted you repeatedly - this will give you much insight into what to expect this pass. The purpose of this transit is to fine tune the last.
Get it?
You know better than me how your 6th house Uranus behaves. This will be the main stage through all of this, which means that health and diet may figure somehow. Virgo stuff. (And of course the planet being transited.)
Your natal Uranus and it's aspects will become electrified.
This is how all the transits work. A person has something in their chart (their character) but it laying their pretty much dormant. Maybe is is a nasty thing they try to deny or hide, or just as often it is a marvelous benefit - but not done anything lately. So here comes a transit and this jump-starts the configuration with whatever energy the T planet is packing. In this case, it is Uranus and so we are talking FAST SPEED ELECTRIC LIGHTNING.
The next hit is to Venus and this will be a big one because N Venus is in aspect to N Urnanus and it is now being T by Uranus - giving a coda type double whammy. Oh yeah. And it is transiting the 2nd house - Venus again.
Got that?
Buckle up, junque.
What may help?
Be advised and be confident that you will not be losing anything that you need. You are going to your future and you are going in bullet train style. Fast and modern and high tech and no blood and angst necessary. You are going and these trains do not stop or slow down so do what you can to enjoy the journey. With your packed 11th - it is not like this is not a somewhat tasty proposition to you. Look at this as an opportunity to detach from Scorpio pursuits and pastimes for a while. You are going to lift up off the tracks (out of the Scorpio pit) so that you can move very quickly from here to there, and you will like "there" once you catch your breath.
Wizard of Oz's Dorothy had a Uranus transit until she was put back where she started. Can you imagine seeing a land like that and then having to go home? Crap.
You are going to a land like that, but you do not have to return. Never mind the hurricane that takes you there, what difference does it make in the big picture?
Do you see what I mean? You are going.
Bye junque.
posted on December 20, 2000 05:07:53 PM newVeryModern I don't know why this is, but you remind me of "Auntie Mame". So full of life..so enthusiastic. I'll bet your kids are the envy of all the other kids on the block. Delightful.
posted on December 20, 2000 05:39:22 PM new
Thank you KatyD! What a nice thing to say. I am happy and I love astrology. My kids are growing like weeds. I am sure that my only job is to provide necessities and keep them out of danger. They can do the rest. I tell my kids "your job is to be "theirname" and then they do it. How cool is that? I wish my parents would have said that to me. Would have saved me many years of flailing around. That is no kidding.
posted on December 20, 2000 05:58:17 PM new
VeryModern,I am Uranus trine Scorpio illit.I dont know when it passed thru.So I dont know what I felt.Do you know off hand how many years past this was?Or can it be calculated this way?And would you like to talk about Leo
Hair?Cousin and sister always had me sitting waiting(and fully dressed)While they couffed their do.They always looked good,But I could do the same in 2 minutes.1 hour min.for the Leo dos.Now the cousin cuts hers close to the head ,and it still looks regal.How do they do that?
posted on December 20, 2000 06:23:39 PM new
junque - we are talking for your degrees - 1978 - 1982 roughly. Uranus through late degrees of scorpio I mean. You can look this up in an ephemeris.
I cannot laugh about that Leo hair too much because I have spent an hour on my hair more times than I care to count. I have lost the hot curlers by now though, and have been doing weird things to my hair instead.
T Uranus is Op my Leo Venus NOW and so I am leaving the house with bizarre hairdos. I am serious. It seems like the thing to do at the moment but someday I will look back and howl about this weird braid thing I am doing lately.
The other thing is that we do not know who Auntie Mame is around here. She sounds fun though and I thought my husband could fill me in but I guess she was not in Star Trek because he does not know either.
???
posted on December 20, 2000 06:30:39 PM new
So you dumped the hip, handsome, retro dude and fell for the "Trekkie" (or does he prefer "Trekker". I thought that only happened in the movies.
posted on December 20, 2000 06:55:28 PM new
I remember 2 movies of Auntie Mame and there was a play in New York for a couple of years.Auntie Mame was a good bad girl, full of life,Love,And reached for the stars,She reminded me of a Aquarius not so detached,Elegant,Crazy friends.Changed the theme of her life on a whim.One week the apartment would be oriental and all her party friends had to dress to the theme.Next time ultra mode with crazy artist hanging around.Her best friend was in theater,And they did do battles.Both could down some liquor,Their hijinks would take hours.Mame ended up with her nephew,And tryed to change to what normal society considered a good parent.This didnt last long.Little Patrick loved his Auntie Mame.Outside forces and a p*ssed off banker(Head of estate for Patrick)Tried to separate Mame and Patrick.Mame went to many extremes to keep him.Without messing up the movie for you,Mame would shout:LIVE LIVE LIVE.She was the pied piper,And visionary.She was life.
posted on December 20, 2000 06:56:39 PM new
Auntie Mame is the determinedly avant garde title character of an old novel by Patrick Dennis. The book was made into a few movies and broadway plays, but the first movie with Rosalind Russell is the quintessential "Mame". If you get a chance, rent the Russell movie or check out a copy of the book at the library. I have a feeling you will find her to be very "familiar". And you will love the book.
posted on December 20, 2000 07:13:33 PM new
KatyD, Vera Charles! Cant believe I remember.
Yes, Roz was the best.Vera Charles was the actress.And let us not forget Miss Gooch.
'I'VE LIVED! NOW WHAT DO I DO? I used that line myself.
[ edited by junquemama on Dec 20, 2000 07:19 PM ]
posted on December 20, 2000 08:08:52 PM new
That was her,junquemama! Vera Charles was Mame's always soused and oh so dramatic best friend (and rival). And Agnes Gooch, the "unwed" mother. Now I think I need to run down to Blockbuster and rent that movie!
posted on December 20, 2000 08:33:30 PM newVeryModern Your stories were great! Do the world a favor and put them in a book! We need more laughter in this world - yes? It'll be a crime if you don't do it!
posted on December 21, 2000 05:35:22 AM new
Well I have to say that all this acceptance is freaking me out a little. This is like in the early 90's when people started eating pasta. All of the sudden it was elevated from poverty food to where a plate of spaghetti with a T oil and a clove of garlic was now deemed gourmet and worth $21.00.
Quick! Somebody slap me, I am in vogue at last.
Mame sounds great. I will see the movie, maybe pick up some tips. I also like Geena Davis in Accidental Tourist a lot.
xardon - my husband is an artist but has a geek streak a mile wide. This is of no consequence to me because like always I am here for the sex and on that front, there is no place like home. This, plus he is the best kind of husband because he does not make you marry him. I have the ring, but no paper. I strain under contracts see, so if I actually *married* I would be looking for the door an hour later.
Last, I asked my husband if he were a trekker or a trekkie and he said he was a "Cadet for better Space".
Is that Klingon?
posted on December 21, 2000 01:20:55 PM new
SR = solar return
N = natal
junque - regarding your solar return, if you don't use these charts you should have a peep at this years. I had a feeling.
It has an Aquarius rising with Uranus in Aquarius conjunct in the 1st house.
Hellllllo...
This is reinforces the idea that Uranus is the major theme for you this year (birthday to birthday).
Further - SR Venus is in the 11th (Aquarius / Uranus house) so I feel it is safe to say that your appearance is due change.
I can offer a clue on this front.
When Uranus crossed my ascendant (appearance) I was in the art museum and this guy came up to me and asked if he could cut my hair. He meant right then and there.
I thought for about 1/8 of a second and then agreed. Remember those "mailmen of the universe" I talked about last time? Surely the universe does not send a hairdresser unless you need one. He gave me the best haircut I have ever had in my life.
This is definitely a time to take chances like that with your look.
You have Moon / Mars in the 8th which could very definitely indicate surgery. If this is the case, please do not fret, and the planets are involved in a grand trine (with Jupiter and your Uranus / asc conjunction) so an excellent result could be expected. I feel very confident about this because of Jupiter's direct involvement, plus the third leg of the trine being your physical body - (again, the ascendant). Hard to get more reassuring than that. Of course, another interpretation is that someone could die also and you could have a benefit. Two people even (a man - Mars and a woman - the Moon). These could be estates of people you do not know, so don't get thinking that people close to you are passing.
In SR's when planets (either N or SR) are on the angles - this is indicative of a seminal year. Your SR sun is on the mid heaven, 10th house side. Saturn is conjunct the IC and of course Uranus rising in it's own sign. Hopefully you can get a peep at this - because it will be very clear to you. The SR Midheaven is 27 Scorpio so of course your whole stellium lands up there.
IOW - you are going public.
May want to spend more than a minute on your hair.
Just kidding