posted on December 18, 2000 09:26:29 PM new
Hey VeryModern! How ya been? Just wanted to let you know that the baby is doing fine (2 months old now). Would you look up some astrology stuff on me? Plleeeeezzzeee???
Signed: Aries hoping to hear yes for an answer.
posted on December 19, 2000 05:48:47 AM new
Yawn..............
Good morning coda.
I am on 1/3 a cup of coffee, but I am ready to give it a go and will hopefully be able to get rolling.
As I mentioned your chart is overwhelmingly water. Water signs and water houses. Massive amount. Like the Titanic movie, land is at a premium. Water signs are associated with emotion, and so what you have here is an overabundance of feeling, but I do not mean this in a critical way. What I mean is that you are ultra sensitive. I am not sure why you are on a public board wanting to "figure" something out when far and away your intuition, your "gut", your feelings, are your best meter, your greatest strength. Damn near infallible actually. It has occurred to me that you may run to the the Saturn in Virgo (Virgo is analytical, Saturn is afraid) like a life preserver tossed in all this water. A way to ground and get a reality check since the emotional world is so intangible and there is so much of it.
Strong Scorpio (ascendant + Sun, Mercury, and Uranus in the 8th) is a natural detective, and excavator and so we find you here investigating another poster and probing an astrologer (Scorpio is always interested in what is unknown and mysterious). You have also basically told me "you don't know anything about me" which is code for "scorpio" by my experience. The problem then is with your Mars.
Mars (and Pluto) rule your chart and so their placement are paramount. Mars shows how you fight and how you get what you want. As far as fighting in the traditional sense of the word, you are in deep trouble. This is not a weapon you want to flash around. First it is broken and second it is soggy, and third it is aimed at your own head.
Yes.
The astrology of this is is like so.
Mars is in Libra. Mars wants to fight, kill, conquer. Libra is Venus ruled and wants to be nice (like Maui) and avoid conflict. That is the broken part.
Mars is conjunct Neptune. Neptune, God of the sea. How deadly are your arrows when they are fired under 50 feet of water? Not just water even, but water in motion, namely TIDE.
You aim, you fire, you misfire, and this happens again and again and again.
Guess what?
Not everyone is a warrior.
Last Mars is square your Sun (90 degree angle), and just for emphasis, at some other planets in your chart and so you Act (Mars) against your own life energy (Sun).
Okay, so what does this mean?
It means that you can't fight worth a damn, (sorry) but as soon as you quit trying you will find out what you can do, very well and very naturally. Scorpio is driven to fight, but broken mars needs help and you have it and you have it in spades.
Transcend.
This is your only way out. This is a good thing, because in the whole of life when all is said and done, to transcend is the only way out for any of us and you are packed and ready to go. What I mean is that this is a concept that you can nab a heck of a lot easier than a Gemini for example.
This is what I mean "transcend"
Consider a person is trapped in a mine, or some other / any other dire circumstances. Could be they come from a rotten family.
Lets say they claw their way out with their fingernails.
So they are walking through their life but guess what? They are still tied to this horror experience in the mine. They appear to be freed, but they really are not until they manage to make what is ALWAYS the last step, and transcend the experience. When this occurs - only then are they truly free. Some people would call it "giving it to God" if this makes it clearer to anyone.
Anyway - you can go direct to GO (transcend) with no hi-jinks like the rest of us. This is because of your Mars Neptune conjunction, and also shown by Moon (and Jupiter!) in Pisces - the last sign. Your fighting is ineffective - this is your route to freedom.
Okay - breifly on the Cancer. I am not going to talk much about it - I am not in the MOOOOOOOD.
(that is an astrology joke even if no one gets it)
It is interesting that here we are talking about the MOON and here you are with 3 planets in Cancer (which is ruled by the moon) and well as having your Moon placed in the 4th house (it is happy there, this is the best place for it, it is at "home" which gives even more Cancer influence. Do you know that your have 12 moods? Each of them last 2 1/2 days while the moon passes though each sign. Check it out - monitor it if you want to. You will be amazed. At the very least, when you look up in the sky and see her, pay her a bit of respect. You are tied closer than you know.
You have a ton of Pisces. Pisces Moon is highly permeable. This means that you very easily pick up others feelings and can be overwhelmed by them. This is a person who can go to a party and come home with a hang over from the PEOPLE. You should pay close attention to what is in your home. In fact, you should routinely sweep it for anything that is carrying a negative feeling. You are constantly merging with your environment (especially in your own home) and so please try to get rid of things that were left by people who let you down - that sort of thing. What I am trying to say, but doing - not so well - is to take care in what you bring into your house, as it will live in you.
Did you see the movie "the fly?"
Like that.
If you have anything nasty around, throw it out or give it away, and do it now beacause the effects are huge.
Also via the Pisces moon and Jupiter and also the Mars Neptune, there is tremendous risk via addiction. I do not know if you have struggled with this in the past, or do at the moment, but I do know that mind altering drugs of any kind should be viewed very strictly as deadly poison in your case.
I am going to come back and talk about upcoming saturn transit.
If you prefer I stop, let me know.
posted on December 19, 2000 06:41:11 AM new
Good Morning VeryModern,
Based on what you have posted so far, I suspect that you are not going to say anything along the lines of what I am looking for. What I was hoping for was some statement about my future that could be unambiguously identified with an event. So far, my feeling is that everything you have told me is too vague for that purpose.
Which is not to say that I disbelieve the truth of your statements. Only that I feel there is no way for me to ascribe belief to the statements as they are so general in nature. Or to make use of the statements through some action on my part.
Continue as and when you wish. I'll respect your conviction in what you say so long as you respect my skepticism.
[ edited by codasaurus on Dec 19, 2000 06:42 AM ]
posted on December 19, 2000 07:00:01 AM new
coda - I have not gotten there yet. Prediction I mean. I am trying to provide you with some insight and at the same time, write for the public in a way that might teach and sometimes entertain. This is what I do.
If you want something else, you need to go somewhere else, as I have told you repeatedly.
posted on December 19, 2000 07:58:04 AM new
VeryModern,Its my right leg,Hit the computor table when I saw all that water.I have never
seen controversal in your face give me the answers right now ,From a person who probley has a real physic self they hold back,Retract to shell,I better stop there.I thought there was some fire and earth fueling
The conversation.Your explanation,Was not vague in the least,I doubt any answers will
satisfy Codasaurus.Besides everyone knows,All they have to do is ask you to do a chart for them without all the smoke and mirrors.
posted on December 19, 2000 09:21:42 AM new
I got a few things to do right now, (pack Wonder Woman for one - this is a note to self) but am on an endorphin high from the gym and tossing this all around.
Junque - okay, yes I understand now and agree. I thought I was going to see the chart of a perfect pain in the ass, but this is now what is in front of me.
Please note that coda writes "feel" now which tells me we have a chink in the shell. I have a strong Saturn and do not much worry about adversity. I just plod along and this is a mountain I am going to climb for my own reasons. There are very tight aspects between my chart and coda's and so I am showing up at the plate.
Coda has mercury conjunct Uranus in CANCER in the 8th combust the sun AND square the Mars Neptune, (BEHOLD the water here) so this makes writing in a forum like not exactly the best stage for him/her. This does not mean that what I write does not trickle in a non intellectual way though - which frankly is the only path to take here. That I am supposed to do this, is clear to me and so I will.
posted on December 19, 2000 11:18:43 AM new
Okay, here is what I think happened here.
Another poster called codasaurus some nasty stuff - "bigot" for one.
I do not think that coda is a bigot. Bigotry causes a lot of pain, and I have the chart here of someone who knows all about hurt and pain and I find it hard to believe that coda is a perpetrator in this way. Frankly, I don't think he/she could deal with the backflash of putting that kind of crap out there.
The result of being called this (and publicly) was very likely intense pain. Coda has a 10th house Saturn (in Virgo no less) and so reputation DOES matter. Besides that - being called something nasty is hurtful - plain and simple. Especially when it is not true.
Now what happens is Scorpio seethes and goes digging. Virgo Saturn agrees. Is willing to work hard to gather evidence. In this way the chart comes together, but the campaign waged cannot come to a "successful" conclusion in a traditional way. It is doomed.
What I mean is that in a war - *traditionally* the object is to take out your enemy. Because of the coda's Mars Neptune - this is almost impossible unless he/she plans to trick someone to death which will only last until he/she figures out that he/she has only tricked there own self.
Get that?
Maybe not.
That is because it is tricky. Junque is right - it is a hall of mirrors. Only one way out.
Levitate.
Every bullet coda fires ultimately hits coda. If you understand this then you understand that coda best avoid war. Not everyone is here to fight, any more than everyone is here to decorate a home, or write a book, or whatever else.
NOW.
If coda [b]is[b] a bigot - everybody run, because this would be a travesty.
Like a Lying Sagittarius. If you ever meet a sag who is lying , you have just encountered the saddest animal in all of astrology.
(( Sag with Gemini in the chart is allowed to lie but only quick flitty lies for the short term and in the end Sag must completely come clean)
END of caveat
Okay - so most parents do not read charts and so they teach their children traditional things which more often than not are in direct conflict with the child's nature. Most of them do not mean harm, they really are doing the best that they can. Our job (I think) in our lifetime is to come to discover our true self, and once someone starts looking they will find help in every direction.
coda's true self feels the way through life.
coda, if you want the truth you will ask yourself if you feel something is true. Your feelings do not lie, and they do not play tricks. Your MIND does. I am serious here. The last thing to do is ask for scientific proof. I mean it. You will never find it and the reason for that exists in YOU.
You have PISCES in spades, and if you do not BELIEVE in magic, you are in a heap of trouble.
I am coming back with predictive.
I am almost done writing but this is very long and I need this part off my desk so I can wrap up.
Whew!
posted on December 19, 2000 11:59:35 AM new
T = transiting
Regarding what is imminent on the horizon - lessons about love and money are coming. I expect that they will be painful. I am sorry, I just don't think it is going to be much fun. This is about 6 mos out by the way, but you will feel it coming in. It feels cold and it is in your bones. Especially your joints. Mid 2001 you will no doubt know what I am referring to if you don't have a clue already.
This will manifest by having you feeling less than lovable. You tend to feel this way anyhow, so this is a period where this is exasperated. Do not despair - there is always a high road and I will map it for you before I am done.
- interlude-
here is the astrology of this.
coda has Saturn square Venus in his/her chart.
Math again - the planets are in a constant Tango.
Now here comes T Saturn in the sky to hit the natal SaturnVenus configuration making something that is pretty ouchy to begin with really ache.
In case I am a stupid astrologer, the universe makes this even clearer by repeating the theme, placing the Saturn transit in the 7th house (Venus house.
The universe apparently wants me to prove something to coda because this is all impossible to MISS-interpret. The odds that I am wrong here is are that there are no odds that I am wrong.
- end of interlude
There are many ways this can come about.
If you are not married, even it you have not previously cared to be (I doubt this is the situation) at this time you will yearn for love and be willing to sacrifice like never before to have it. Like when a single person all the sudden looks up and everywhere they turn the see couples and of course they will all be deliriously happy and kissing and what not. When Saturn hits Venus - you are not invited to the prom for example.
This does not feel good.
Another way this can manifest is via aging. You look in the mirror and the reflection makes you feel unlovable. This is a crisis of your vanity one way or another.
A third way this can manifest is a spouse / partner leaving or going cold on you. (or getting sick and needing extended care, etc. etc. etc. - however it may come about that they are less able or willing to meet your love needs)
Scenarios are endless, but they are all the same, they all hurt, and hopefully you can nab the theme here.
Venus = love and pretty and desirable and Saturn = restriction, hardship, lessons, rejection, loss etc.
Put them together - this is how astrology works.
Okay, so the cure for this (and anything else having to do with Saturn) is simple but not necessarily easy or pleasant.
Face your fear (of aging, of rejection, of whatever)
Say you look in the mirror and you see "I am old".
You have some choices.
You can become very depressed and not leave the house.
You can become very pathetic and buy a red corvette
You can face your fear, accept and act your age, and be wise and respected.
Any questions?
The highest road here which is not any harder to choose than any other btw, is to look at this period of time as *the* time to focus on what is a lifelong thorn in your side and to commit to working towards an improved expression of it. It is like having Cindy Crawfords mole. It is there, so whatcha gonna do with it? She rode her flaw to the top. She is a Pisces. She is of your tribe. The worst way to handle this is to feel sorry for yourself.
As an example, if you find that love is scarce in your life, then work on GIVING love abundantly.
It is via a strategy of this type that you will find instant relief from the pain and pressure as well as the longer term solution to what has ailed you.
It is a simple as this.
A person is deprived of love.
Afraid they are not lovable, that person deprives others of love.
A person is deprived of love.
Afraid they are not lovable, but understanding how painful a lack of love is, that person commits to loving others abundantly at every opportunity.
posted on December 19, 2000 12:45:00 PM new
bobbi lays claim to the first Grand Trine on AW! Beeeeeautiful Grand trine in fire in the water houses. Venus in Aries, Mars in Sag, Pluto in Leo. This is some fine kind of love you got going bobbi. She sees what she wants, and knows how to get it and when she gets it home, and 2 days pass, turns out it was in fact, just what she wanted. bobbi - do you know it ain't this easy for most people?
You are a DOUBLE Aries (wave to the double Scorpio from last time with whom you have an affinity). You might fight all the time, but there are two, no 3 reasons not to.
First, you are a Virgo rising and so you are busy doing Virgo jobs and fighting is not one of them. Just how much time do librarians spend fighting?
Uh....
None?
Second, because of this grand trine you are more satisfied than most and so not especially angry or frustrated.
Third - your Aries Moon just barely falls in the 7th house (Venus house - your Sun is next door in the 8th) and so although you like ACTION, your moon need balance. The affect of all of this is that your Aries / all this fire is tempered some so that you do not have to a bunch of negative fallout from it. It is really very nicely strung together, like a walking across a field with bullets flying all around you and you just plain cross without even needing to duck particularly.
Re: your grandbaby - she appears to have been born when Pluto came into your 4th house, which is associated with Cancer, the home, women, grandmothers, roots etc., etc. There are no hard aspects and so I would say the result is empowerment and healing. On that note, eventually T pluto will set off your Grand trine and you will really soar. This would be 2004 - 2007. Yes. That entire time - a rocket in your pocket. You got one now, really it is just that in the time frame it will be on steroids. Imagine the power from coming from your core (T in the 4th house - this is for junque) as opposed to outside yourself. From your root, from your mother and your mother's mother, not the sky.
posted on December 19, 2000 12:49:44 PM new
yes Femme - and when the car does not solve the problem, this is when it really gets bleak.
That is why a person should fast forward to the end if they can see the way. First you are dealt pain, but avoid or try to cheat and you will graduate to agony.
posted on December 19, 2000 01:31:58 PM new
This is for the gal who sent her data who was born in Arizona. You can step up and claim your chart if you want - I will not id you.
Gemini Sun, Pisces rising, Libra Moon
The main thing here is that atypical for Gemini in general - you are going to always want to be in a relationship. I got good news for you. You will always always always bw\e able to get yourself into one, for about a dozen reasons, so i will name a few.
First is Uranus in the 7th. This makes people take one look at you and decide that they must have you for a wife. You can marry 1, 2, 4, 10, or 12 times if you like.
Second, you have Venus and Mars in the same sign (Cancer) which is always very potent and sexy which many many poeple can sniff out.
Third - Pluto in the 7th. The same people want you as their wife on sight will be convinced that it is a matter of life an death (you may agree) that you be together which is way different from "I can take or leave.. may call, may not call.."
Fourth - you can cook.
Fifth - you have Jupiter in Libra when gives a benevolent partner.
Sixth - Venus in the 5th - FUN LOVE and probably you are queenly.
7th - Saturn in Taurus - gets the legal certificate
There is more, but this is enough - you get the picture. Much of your life will be spent in relationships. You will be empowered, hurt, shocked, healed, liberated and loved. You will love, shock, hurt, heal, empower and love. Most times you will like the deal you get.
One heads up.
Watch the angry flash / temper. This can cause accidents. Be especially careful around any type of machinery, metal, guns, knives or fire. When you are around these things, expect the unexpected and exercise abnormal caution. (Uranus sq Mars - for junque)
posted on December 19, 2000 02:13:31 PM new
VeryModern,Per-Sag with Gemini in the chart is allowed to lie but only quick flitty lies for the
short term and in the end Sag must completely come clean)
END of caveat
Brain robber! That Sag cant lie,Comes out wrong,The Sag looks wrong telling the lie.And even when you thought it would be the right thing to do as not to hurt someones feelings,You end up telling the truth in the same sentence.So said Sag.decides,No lies,No one can put you under,Or get over.Same Sag gets confussed when others cant do the same simple thing, in public and in relationships.
Mother,Mothers Mother,Very strong,intelligent,self reliant.Aquarius,Sag
I was doomed from the start.
So did you just pull all that out of the hat?
posted on December 19, 2000 02:46:05 PM new
Old Hampshire - first thing is that you do not have a bad chart. It is not scary in the least.
The main theme you have to deal with "should I conform, or should I rebel?" You are very individualistic but it is not especially easy to live this way day by day and day in and day out. On part of you would really like to shock the hell out of the world (and you probably do on occasion) - the other part of you is afraid what people would think and is very aware of hierarchy in society. This part of you does not take kindly to your other sides penchant for acting outside expected norms and so harming it's chances to be elected "King".
You also have to cope with a fair amount of emotion and moodiness as I count 4 planets and the north node in Cancer, which the part of you wishing to be President would probably prefer to just amputate when it begins to whine. You are not overwhelmingly swamped though, because the Cancer is placed in the 11th house (detached Aquarius) which means you can avoid some of the heavy heavy feelings by thinking about them like a science project now and then, instead of having to feeeel it all.
Also of great assistance is your Virgo rising. Virgo is always a fine friend to Cancer, and it is also very friendly to Capricorn (your Moon). The only thing is here is that Virgo is always offering to work for people - help them out and stuff for no money, and the Cancer and Capricorn don't go for that. They are not an employee - they are the Boss or nothing, so you might let them dictate a proper wage for the Virgo, since she (Virgo is fem) has no idea her value.
I would think you are doing okay at the moment. Your major crisis passed in the early and mid nineties and you are still clear until of anything huge until 2003-5 when Saturn transits Cancer. This is still nothing to dread. Your natal Saturn is in fine shape. "Do the right thing" (I bet you do anyway) and it will be a time to pick up honor. Karma time is what it is. You will reap what you have sown. Sew well, ya know?
The only thing I would advise is to get some calcium. Your ascendant signifies your body and is at 3 degrees Virgo. It will be square by T saturn in Gemini and this is hard on the bones, including the teeth and the joints. Stay warm. Saturn is wrapping up in Taurus right now, but will come into Gemini on a tear April, May. By June you are clear. See how easy that was? This is how it is when your dues are paid.
posted on December 19, 2000 02:54:58 PM new
junque - Gemini's have to lie. They really can't even go one day without a lie, it could ruin them. Gemini's lie on their deathbeds are you kidding?
This means that a Sag who has a Gem Moon, rising, Venus and Mars or whatever must stand there while the lies spew and then dial everyone up and tell on themselves.
The upside of this is that you get to talk some more, so what the hell?
My sister has a Sag Moon conjunct Jupiter EXACT and she has a Gem Mars and she lies a blue streak to get what she wants.
Then Generous sag has to come clean PLUS send presents. It seems like she should just stop lying but it is wholly impossible for her.
posted on December 19, 2000 04:19:28 PM new
junque - Uranus in Gemini would be considered "generational". It is not a personal planet. Everyone born in a 7 year stretch around you has the same. So you have no need to lie.
Personal planets
Sun
Moon
Mercury
Venus
Mars
Saturn is your skin. What separates you from others / the collective
Collective / generational planets
Uranus
Neptune
Pluto
For the record, Gemini's do not lie to be vicious or malicious. They lie for entertainment because everyone around them is so fricken slow it is the only way for them to keep things interesting and not die from boredom while the rest of of us try to formulate a thought.
Tell a slew of lies and then try to keep track of them.
This is Gemini brand fun. Their motive is not to try to hurt you. They are trying to spice things up a bit.
posted on December 19, 2000 05:13:29 PM new
How about-Sun Sag
Moon-Sco
Mercury-Sco
Venus-Sco
Mars-Sag
Jupiter-Sco
Saturn-Leo
Cap riseing.If you think this is a good placement,I will admit to the chart.If not it belongs to the next door neighbor.My leo is nervous,And the Scorpio has a loaded can of sardines.
posted on December 19, 2000 05:24:55 PM new
junque - I will respect the Scorpio Moon. Can you send the data so I can put it up and get a visual?
[email protected]
I focus heavy on the houses and so I need to see what falls where, plus I am horribly math impaired and so I can't make these words into a picture. I am not an artist!
posted on December 19, 2000 07:49:17 PM newVM, very insightful stuff so far. Don't mean to be greedy but, is there more? Not quite what I'm looking for at this point (and yes, I am married. 5 years to a Scorpio in Feb.)
which gives even more Cancer influence. Do you know that your have 12 moods? Each of them last 2 1/2 days while the moon passes though each sign. Check it out - monitor it if you want to. You will be amazed. At the very least, when you look up in the sky and see her, pay her a bit of respect. You are tied closer than you know.
