posted on December 27, 2005 07:59:34 PM
What I LOVE maggie is showing the liberals here for just what they are....anti-American liars who continue to defend/support our enemies...no matter what....say one thing one time....then deny it the next.
I love pointed out their continuing double standards....they're claim that they support our troops....when they continually post things that prove they don't.
I love that American's were smart enough to re-elect this President, for many different reasons, ALL of which the liberal ladies group here get so upset about that they whine on a daily basis about it. Won't change a thing....but it obviously fulfills a desperate need they have to #*!@.
So....I'll continue to LOVE no matter what they throw at this President.....he will overcome it and continue to prove ALL their false accusations false....prove all their doom and gloom statements wrong....and he'll just continue on doing what he does best.....all he can to protect this great Nation of ours....despite what the liberals oppose, obtruct, etc.
posted on December 27, 2005 08:25:06 PM
Linda, the ever increasing division of our country only serves to weaken our strength.
Until people start thinking more in terms of purple rather than red or blue, we will continue to lose our strength and power. We need a leader who will be a uniter not a divider. JMHO
posted on December 27, 2005 08:30:31 PM
maggie....I'll also point out a misconception YOU have stated as a truth.
I have NEVER claimed to be a 'church lady'. As a matter of FACT....FACT being something the liberals here don't deal well with....I've stated just the opposite.
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This President is a uniter....but one half the dem party is divided into those who KNOW we need to take action to protect our Nation.....and those like helen, kiara, and others....who themselves divide their own party and this Nation by sticking their head in the sand about what the terrorists have promised for us.
Are you one of them maggie? Are you part of the problem like THEY are? Do you believe these threats are just made up and the terrorists really have no intention of trying to carry them out?
people like helen and her ilk are the dividers of our country....NOT this President nor the dems who do believe we're at war with terrorists.
posted on December 27, 2005 08:42:34 PMWhat I LOVE maggie is showing the liberals here for just what they are....anti-American liars who continue to defend/support our enemies...no matter what....say one thing one time....then deny it the next.
Cram all your lies up your ass, lindak.
You're not showing any liberals anything here except that you have no other way to deal with those whom you disagree with except to keep making up more lies. It's a lame and cowardly way to confront others.
You're promoting genocide and you fear terrorists around every corner and everyone that doesn't agree with you or your president is anti-American and supports the enemy.
posted on December 27, 2005 08:45:16 PM
Linda, perhaps some people feel the terrorism threat comes from the fear of terrorism instead of actual attacks. We've gone from very little terrorism pre-911, now it's everywhere and coming from every country. Although the threat is real, I wonder to what extent, and if this President is using the fear factor to further his cause. How can that way of thinking destroy unity?
posted on December 27, 2005 08:54:55 PM
KD, as I've pointed out to helen....who also lives in a total state of denial of what the terrorists themselves say....you too appear to me to not deal with the reality of the situation.
The US was ATTACKED by terrorists SEVERAL times during the clinton administration. Then came 9-11. IMO, this President and THIS administration took matters into their own hands.....as clinton should have done after the FIRST attack against American interests by the terrorists. But he didn't.
Now we're fighting a war against the terrorists and AQ in Iraq. We're NOT like the helen's of this world who wanted to throw up the white, surrender flag immediately after sending troops into Iraq.
We're going to finish the job.....get Iraq on it's feet and let them vote [which they have three times now] in their own government.
We don't believe saddam made them happier....was better to them than freedom will be.
We don't believe we're at fault because SADDAM wouldn't abide by what stopped the war in Iraq back in 1991.
We don't believe we're at fault because saddam wouldn't, after 13 YEARS do what the UN had told him to do.
BUT....since the past three administrations felt saddam needed to be removed as he was a threat to us and to the world....THIS President did just that.
And the ultra-liberal left...progressives/socialists/anti-American's haven't quit bitching about it since then.
They've been proven WRONG on all they 'worried' about would happen since the day our troops set foot on Iraqi ground.
They have fought everything this President has done to protect this Nation. Even 1/2 the dem party doesn't agree with them.
But still they go on and on....no plans of their own....no agenda of their own....on criticizing EVERYTHING this President and his administration has done.
Well....I have no doubt they'll continue on that negative road....but as anyone with two brain cells can obviously see....things have NOT gone as they have said they would. The #*!@/mud they've thrown at him HASN'T stuck....
...why? Because no matter what the polls show....he's determined to do what he thinks is in this Nation's best interest. Anti-American's be damned.
posted on December 27, 2005 08:55:50 PM
Linda - I can't believe that you think that Bush in a uniter. The last thing I can think of the Bush did to bring both parties together was nominate Harriet Myers and somehow I don't think that had quite the effect he was looking for. He's been eating a lot of crow on his biug issues these last few months including the Patriot act and the antitorture bill.
He is not bringing this country together. I don't understand how you can call someone a uniter when he can't even get the majority of the country to approve of him. He may have united the Republican party but they do not a country make.
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posted on December 27, 2005 09:03:01 PM
Linda - Tell me something. Considering th at most of the "insurgents" we are fighting are not actually from Iraq...why do you feel that we will be safer from terrorist once we are done there? Wouldn't it have bee smarter to those hundreds of billions of dollars to put OUR house in order? Our ports are still unsecured, trains, subway systems, public meeting places. Our intelligence bureaus are still running in way too many circles and four years after 9/11 no one has managed to merge the various watch lists and so customs checks are only are secure as the agent is determined since there are eight different lists that can be checked.
I don't mind spending on billions on securing our country. I think it's a wonderful idea. I just wonder when they are going to start doing it.
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posted on December 27, 2005 09:03:19 PM
fenix - I'm saying I believe it was VERY MUCH his intention to unite this Nation.
I just don't think he expected all the garbage from those who supported this war...when they changed their liberal minds. I really think that disloyality surprised him.
All those claiming he lied....when the previous administration that they so supported said the same thing about the threat saddam presented....about the womd.
It's been the liberals in the dem party who have divided this nation. It's been the liberal press like the NYT and all those who keep stating out and out lies....making this President's desire to protect this Nation suspect.
It hasn't been THIS President. I think he'd be pleased as punch to have the anti-American side support our Nation and it's troops in this war. But everything we read shows they don't. Even though they claim they do. Yeah, right. NOT!!!
I can't tell you the number of troops that come home and can't believe what the dem party liberals are doing that THEY don't see as being supportive ...nope...not ONE bit.
posted on December 27, 2005 09:12:38 PM
fenix - Using the PC word insurgents now rather than calling them what they are? TERRORISTS???
And if you listen to Fox News as much as you claim you do....then you must have heard in the last couple of days the two Muslim/Islamists men who said they KNOW there are terrorists here in our country...being trained and getting ready and prepared for when the 'call' comes to start their destruction inside America.
See....I believe them....I believe the terrorists too when they promise what we have to look forward to.
You liberals bury your heads in the sand and pretend like they don't mean what they say. You always have....and what did that get us? 9-11. You'll notice BECAUSE of what this President has done, in many areas of America, we haven't had another attack since things have been changed.
Does that mean we won't? No...it doesn't. But it does show he IS making changes that haven't been made after all the attacks we suffered under the clinton administration.
What did THEY do to protect us when they KNEW the threat clinton said he had dreams/nightmares about binladen doing. NOTHING????
Just like rebuilding our military AFTER the clinton administration cut it by over 40%....it's going to take time to get a lot more in place to protect us. Time and money. And the dems USE the deficit against him too....but like kerry, always have other 'suggestions' about how MORE money should be spent. Can't make up your [collective] minds about that either.
posted on December 27, 2005 09:16:55 PM
And I'll ask, once again - for the zillionth time - why is it that NO liberals here have EVER placed any blame for this war on saddam's total lack of cooperation with the UN for 13 years.
Even clinton said he'd become an outstanding 'game player' when it came to accounting for his womd.
I've NEVER seen ONE of you lay the blame for this war at HIS feet.....no...you've bashed this President for everything including take a breath. But NEVER saddam....never would answer why the UN was STILL holding saddam accountable. Nope....and you expect ME to believe you support your own country? LOL LOL LOL
posted on December 27, 2005 09:20:35 PM
Linda - it took pressure from republicans to pressure the Myers nomination resignation, it took republicans to keep the Patriot act from being passed and it took republicans to pass the anti torture act (In fact, it was a republican that sponsored it).
I find it funny that people (you are not the only one) claim that democrats are dividing the nation but they are the same ones that constantly attempt to demonize anyone that thinks differently than they do. That is not the behavior of someone that wants to UNITE. That's not the behavior of someone that wants to bring people together. That's the behavior of someone that wants everyone to believe what they believe.
I think that Bush was sincere in his words when he said that he wanted to be a uniter. I just don't believe that his actions backed those words up. You can't honestly tell me that you believe that saying - "I don't care what people think, I'm going to do what I want to do" is a statement that will lead to unification.
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posted on December 27, 2005 09:29:37 PM
Linda - did you actually read what I said? Did you read where I said that we should have been investing those billions of dollars here at home strengthening our intelligence agencies, our ports, our transporation methods?
If you read that why in the would you bring up this new info like its something I would never have thought of? 9/11 was pulled off by of people that were living and planning here so why in gods name did we decide to go overseas to prevent further action. We are spending all of our time and resources fighting a battle that was not our to fight on land that was not ours to protect. That money should have been spent here at home.
Voting in Iraq is a wonderful thing but it does not make me fee any safer. The stregthening of our ports, the organization of our watchlists the improvement of our intelligent capabilities. That's what makes us safer.
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posted on December 27, 2005 09:31:22 PM
That's why he was elected and why he was RE-ELECTED, fenix. Because the people believe HE is doing what needed to be done in protecting this country.
I don't care how much blame you liberals wish to put on him....he is a moral man....a man with values that agree with MOST American's....not atheists, not anti-American protestors....he's pure 100% pro American.
And he's going to run this Nation as he believes is in it's best interests....whether the ultra-liberals disagree with him or not.
He's so unlike what you liberals got used to....making political decisions by the way the polls showed they should be handled. He and we know he has more facts and intelligence than the average voter has....and he's making the decisions accordingly.
Period.
On the PA...we'll see how that turns out. Let's watch what the dems oppose and then IF the time comes when we weren't able to nab a terrorist, like we weren't able to BECAUSE of the law clinton supported where our agencies couldn't share info....then the blood of American's will be on the liberals hands.
But since the House passed it ....I think once the liberals vote....American's will remember how they voted on renewing the PA - when they vote again in 2006. Just like they have each election where the liberals have lost seats. But can't figure out why it keeps happening.
Your party needs to wake up and start defending this Nation....be MORE interested in NOT protecting the terrorists from US. Their continued objection to us spying on calls made to or from known/suspected terrorists only show the left isn't on American's side in this war on terror. American voters will continue to see how the liberals can't be trusted to protect this Nation...and vote as they have been.
posted on December 27, 2005 09:33:37 PM
Linda - Come on. Bush was not reelected because he was so popular. He was elected because Kerry was unpopular. Bush did not win that election, Kerry lost it.
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posted on December 27, 2005 09:35:09 PM
Linda - if your are going to admit, and wave as red badge of honor the fact that this president does not give a damn what the people think, could you please at least stop calling him a uniter?
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posted on December 27, 2005 09:49:28 PM
fenix - I will try a little bit different way to say what I believe your party doesn't 'get'.
That is the long range plan for the ME. By promoting freedom and democracy in Iraq...it will spread. ALL people want to be free and out from under dictators like saddam and castro and all those other anti-american's that way too many on the left support so strongly....against their own country...I might add.
And I'm saying that while the helen's and kiara's of this world CLAIM this President doesn't have/hasn't had a 'plan' they couldn't be more wrong. He did....he still does...and he's going to try and head this country in that direction....no matter what the polls show.
But I sure haven't seen any leftie here post the most recent poll results. Since the President has chosen to come out and tell American's why he's doing what he's doing. His poll numbers are improving....quite nicely I might add.
And a VERY high percentage of American's polled say they agree with his decision NOT TO PULL OUT OF IRAQ until they can defend themselves.
So....again....he's given freedom to over 25 million people...most who ARE appreciative....again no matter what the lefties would like to believe.
Getting so one can't believe a thing the liberals say anymore....they've been proven wrong so often.
posted on December 27, 2005 10:00:50 PM
But Linda - there's a big problem with that plan. It has absolutely nothing to do with the individuals that want to attack us. In fact, it only serves to inflame them. These are people that have major philosophical differences with our country. They don't hate us because they can't vote. they hate us because they believe that were are a threat to them so invading their neighbors does not exactly doesn't really change things. You cannot the entire world love you and to think that we can is naive. This nation is not a physical manifestation of god and it cannot create a world in it's image. You are a Christian. Even you have to recognize that god did not quite get the unity and brotherly love concept working right. So why do you think that Bush can?
We cannot make the world love us. The best we can do is try not to make more of them hate us and to protect ourselves here at home from those that do.
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posted on December 27, 2005 10:04:46 PM
::Getting so one can't believe a thing the liberals say anymore....they've been proven wrong so often.::
What the hell is that supposed to mean? Since you adressed the post to me I would really appreciate an explination.
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posted on December 27, 2005 10:05:58 PM
At least some of the democrats are beginning to see the light...about what American's expect from their elected leaders/officials...even though many liberals here will NEVER see it.
Centrist Democrats hit anti-Bush tactics
By Donald Lambro
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
December 28, 2005
Some centrist Democrats say attacks by their party leaders on the Bush administration's eavesdropping on suspected terrorist conversations will further weaken the party's credibility on national security.
That concern arises from recent moves by liberal Democrats to block the extension of parts of the USA Patriot Act in the Senate and denunciations of President Bush amid concerns that these initiatives could violate the civil liberties of innocent Americans.
"I think when you suggest that civil liberties are just as much at risk today as the country is from terrorism, you've gone too far if you leave that impression. I don't believe that's true," said Michael O'Hanlon, a national-security analyst at the Brookings Institution who advises Democrats on defense issues.
"I get nervous when I see the Democrats playing this [civil liberties] issue out too far. They had better be careful about the politics of it," said Mr. O'Hanlon, who says the Patriot Act is "good legislation."
These Democrats say attacks on anti-terrorist intelligence programs will deepen mistrust of their ability to protect the nation's security, a weakness that led in part to the defeat of Sen. John Kerry, the Democratic presidential nominee, last year.
"The Republicans still hold the advantage on every national-security issue we tested," said Mark Penn, a Democratic pollster and former adviser to President Clinton, who co-authored a Democratic Leadership Council (DLC) memo on the party's national-security weaknesses.
Nervousness among Democrats intensified earlier this month after Democrats led a filibuster against the Patriot Act that threatened to block the measure, followed by a victory cry from Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid, Nevada Democrat, who declared at a party rally, "We killed the Patriot Act."
After Mr. Bush sharply attacked Mr. Reid, saying lack of the Patriot Act "will leave us in a weaker position in the fight against brutal killers," Senate Democrats dropped their filibuster and accepted a six-month extension. A Republican-backed five-week extension was adopted last week by the House and Senate.
Recent polls say 56 percent of Americans approve of the job Mr. Bush is doing to protect the country from another terrorist attack.
"In shaping alternative policies -- particularly on national security, terrorism and Iraq -- Democrats have to be extremely careful to avoid reinforcing the negative stereotype that has cost us so much in the last two national elections," the recent DLC memorandum said.
Republicans led the Democrats by 40 percent to 36 percent on questions about which party can keep the country safe, 45 percent to 40 percent on which party can be trusted on national security and 48 percent to 38 percent on "which party can be trusted more to fight terrorism," the DLC said.
Other Democrats argue that emphasis on protecting civil liberties in surveillance programs won't hurt Democratic candidates.
"The Democrats' vulnerability on national security is not a new problem, but standing up for civil liberties and the Constitution will not make the problem worse and, besides, it's the right thing to do," said Bill Galston, a one-time Clinton White House adviser.
"In standing up for civil liberties and the rule of law, Democrats are not undermining the party's standing on national security," he said.
White House deputy press secretary Trent Duffy yesterday discounted the scope of the eavesdropping operation.
"This is a limited program," he told reporters in Crawford, Texas, where Mr. Bush is vacationing at his ranch.
"This is not about monitoring phone calls designed to arrange Little League practice or what to bring to a potluck dinner. These are designed to monitor calls from very bad people to very bad people who have a history of blowing up commuter trains, weddings and churches."
posted on December 27, 2005 10:08:38 PM
lindak, from now on please leave my name out of your broad generalizations of what you think I've said and what you think I believe in and who you think I am and who you think I support.
If I have anything to say, I can speak for myself.
posted on December 27, 2005 10:18:44 PM
fenix - What I mean is that most of the ultra-lberals/Bush haters who post here....are in denial of the truth.
Take the FACT that no one will answer why they don't hold saddam accountable/to blame...but will this president.
No liberal here will address the issue that the clinton administration felt and passed a LAW that saddam needed to be removed.
No liberal here appears to believe ANY of the THREE investigative reports that have come out saying this administration did not 'fudge/lie/embelish nor distort' the intelligence reports on saddam having womd.
There's a list a mile long....but the liberals just keep repeating all that has been disproven...and proof provided. Why? Because they don't WANT to believe it....even though many from their own party now DOES believe it.
Take the indictment of Libby....no other indictments were handed down...even though that was the INTENT of the investigation for the liberals to see Bush, Cheney, Rove/etc brought up for charges. Didn't happen. But the liberals keep spewing their garbage.
And the liberal press is even worse. Not reporting on hardly any successes our troops have had. No cheerleading for our troops going on in their papers/online news. Nope....all against this administration....
I haven't seen a liberal on the U.S.'s side in years. I'm not talking about moderate dems....just the radical/outrageous ultra-liberals. They've gone completely off their rockers....and just can't stop with their blinding hatred of this President EVEN WHEN it comes to being on our country's/troops side.
Nope....we have the kerry's of this world wanting to help Iran with their nuclear weapon program....and wondering why their man doesn't get elected.
posted on December 27, 2005 10:36:07 PMYou going to pretend you haven't bashed everything this President has done since he was first elected?
I don't have to pretend anything, lindak.
I disagreed here with Bush's position on Iraq, that does not mean that I've bashed everything he's done since he was elected because I haven't. In fact I have seldom commented on any other thing that he has done.
Once again I think you have me mixed up with another poster.
posted on December 27, 2005 10:47:30 PM
LOL....nope kiara....again you couldn't be more wrong.
I don't have you confused with anyone. I've read each and everyone of your American-bashing/Bush bashing posts here....
...that is when you actually choose to address the topic rather than starting your normal crap with me.
AGain.....pay attention kiara to how many of your total posts you address to ME....and then all those you address to others.
I think you'll be very surprise that I'm your biggest posting topic here.
I couldn't confuse you with any one here....you're in a class with helen....and there's few that take that place in my eyes.
Now, if you don't mind kiara....and even if you do.....don't expect to come in here bashing what my country decides to do....giving your anti=war/bush bashing statements....and expect me not to respond.
posted on December 27, 2005 11:02:47 PM
Once again you have no links to support your claims, lindak.
I realize it's been a long day again for you but please take note of the fact that YOU brought MY name into this topic by stating more lies about me.
You do this on a regular basis so of course I won't ignore it or adjust to it as you would prefer. You're just upset that I call you on your lies and make you look like an idiot each time.
Nowhere was I bashing the US because I happen to love the country and I've posted that here many times. To me, Bush does not personify the United States of America. He is a separate entity to me.
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