cassiescloset
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posted on October 14, 2000 03:56:36 PM new
I know many sellers are afraid to give negative feedback for NPB. Perhaps some sort of code phrase could be left to alert other sellers. This would also alert the seller about how many NPB have been filed so bidder could be suspended.
In the medical world, if there is a non paying patient, the code phrase to give the new doctor is, "The chart is not complete."
Perhaps appropriate feedback for a deadbeat could be, "I am anxious to complete transaction", left as a neutral if fear of retaliation is there.
Maybe on this board we could develop a universal key phrase to alert other sellers.
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VeryModern
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posted on October 14, 2000 04:14:15 PM new
I am not meaning to be rude, but I say face your fear.
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mauimoods
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posted on October 14, 2000 04:26:23 PM new
edited because ID of bidder is known now.
[ edited by mauimoods on Oct 15, 2000 02:34 PM ]
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valerie47
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posted on October 14, 2000 04:31:43 PM new
I wish ebay would come up with a policy where if you have to request credit (FVF) on a deadbeat that as soon as you request your FVF that ebay would "lock out" that deadbeat from being able to leave feedback unless they can SHOW PROOF that they paid for the item.
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VeryModern
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posted on October 14, 2000 04:55:18 PM new
It's all in your perspective I guess. I don't think if I get a retaliatory neg that anything is ruined.
Anyway, I write "did not complete transaction" nothing less, nothing more and since I came up with this comment have never gotten a retaliatory neg, and I have left this comment 40 times at least. Please do not misunderstand, I completely support a seller's right to NEVER leave a neg. My point here is that if you WANT to leave a neg, face your fear and do it. It won't ruin you. (That last is Dylan)
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MrJim
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posted on October 14, 2000 05:01:40 PM new
Three strikes your out rule.
Three FVF and you are NARU'd. Period.
Leaving Neg's for bidders is a waste of time. There are so many 10 feedback or less people, and Ebay's registration for bidders is so lax that it is pointless. If a bidder gets a neg, they only have to pick a new username and start over.
It is the seller that needs to protect their feedback rating / reputation. And if that means not leaving neg's for bidders, then so be it.
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twelvepole
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posted on October 14, 2000 05:03:08 PM new
This is preposterous...what about a code for all of those deadbeat sellers! At least as a seller you're not out money paid for an item and not received.
As far as locking out a bidder as soon as FVF is filed, what about all of those quick to file sellers? Nope can't agree with any of this.
oooohhh oooohh I might get a neg....
Ain't Life Grand... 
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mzalez
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posted on October 14, 2000 05:09:27 PM new
I'd say bite the bullet and neg the deadbeats, after you've filed your NPBs and FVF credits. That is what makes the feedback system work.
It's natural to fear retaliatory negs, but don't let it stop you from leaving those well deserved negs. Most people who read feedback are aware of the problem of retaliatory negs anyway and will take any you may have into consideration.
If you don't leave the neg, you are not helping the next buyer or seller.
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susiegirl
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posted on October 14, 2000 05:53:26 PM new
I have few deadbeats as I keep emailing and hunting them down and threatening them with neg feedback...but when I do have a deadbeat, I ALWAYS neg em....don't be a weenie, give em what they so richly deserve!!
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tomwiii
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posted on October 14, 2000 05:57:12 PM new
I'm a WEENIE & PROUD of it! 
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abacaxi
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posted on October 14, 2000 06:46:42 PM new
The best code for a deadbeat is NEGATIVE, qwith a "Filed NPB, no response". Shortly after four of those codes are acquitred, the deadbeat acquires a NARU code.
It's the people who are terrified of dings on feedbacks who keep the deadbeats in business.
mauimoods - Anyone seeing a long string of
negatives from a deadbeat would understand what happened. Do the FVF and get them NARU as soon as possible.
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chococake
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posted on October 14, 2000 07:23:00 PM new
Repeat after me....I am not afraid, I am not afraid....now go neg them!
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mauimoods
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posted on October 14, 2000 07:30:22 PM new
[ edited by mauimoods on Oct 15, 2000 02:34 PM ]
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rosiebud
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posted on October 14, 2000 07:44:22 PM new
How about:
ID:10-T error 
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Dragonfyree
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posted on October 14, 2000 07:51:58 PM new
Ebay will never block out a feedback reply from a deadbeat. What I would like to see is another line on the feedback page showing how many FVF have been filed against the buyer. If they make payment or prove the ebay that the FVF was filed incorrectly against them it would come off their feedback page, just like it comes off their file.
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pickersangel
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posted on October 14, 2000 08:53:28 PM new
I believe that, if you are concerned about 17 negs from one bidder, you should remember that only one of those counts against your rating and you may be able to get them removed due to the policy against feedback bombing. If you leave ONE neg for non-payment on 17 transactions and she can't provide proof of payment, I think that even Safe Harbor would agree that 17 retaliatory negs constitutes feedback bombing. I've seen situations on the Feedback board on Ebay where multiple negs from a NPB were removed for just this reason.
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skyscout
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posted on October 14, 2000 09:11:30 PM new
>>Either post something nice about the bidder or seller, or say NO COMMENT. Would relieve alot of stress and retaliations, wouldnt it?<< NOW I HAVE HEARD IT ALL! I knew these message boards were for softies, now I have proof! Where's Mr. Rogers when you need him? Actually, you are right, though. The current feedback system really doesn't paint a clear picture of a lot of people. The "no comments" who just don't leave feedback could really tell the true story about any Ebayer. Letting people simply leave a "no comment" without being allowed to trash somebody would take a lot of the fear of retaliation out of it.
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furkidmom
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posted on October 14, 2000 09:46:53 PM new
I just had to file a neg about 10 days ago, and all I put was...."Did not send Payment. I don't know why." What can they say to that? And it was a neg, not a neutral. The person as of this week is (not a registered user) any longer. So does that mean they are just unregistered by choice, or kicked?
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mauimoods
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posted on October 14, 2000 11:05:49 PM new
***Singing "wont you be my neighbor"***
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abacaxi
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posted on October 15, 2000 06:37:03 AM new
mauimoods -
Someone just nailed your problem child with THREE negatives in a row.
Go for it: NPB warning, FVF request and then a NEG for all 17. Yes, it's gonna look wierd, but a calm "bid, won, stalled for time, never paid" negative, repeated SEVENTEEN TIMES will definitely make your point. And leave a solid block of RED on her FB page.
I doubt she will do anything, but if she does, just repeat the "bid, won, stalled for time, never paid" in one reply to her negative.
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mauimoods
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posted on October 15, 2000 09:32:14 AM new
[ edited by mauimoods on Oct 15, 2000 02:35 PM ]
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mauimoods
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posted on October 15, 2000 09:57:56 AM new
[ edited by mauimoods on Oct 15, 2000 02:35 PM ]
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chococake
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posted on October 15, 2000 10:07:40 AM new
Alright Maui!! You made us proud girl.
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mauimoods
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posted on October 15, 2000 10:11:23 AM new
chococake. Now Im skeered to look at MY feedback...but at least Im not alone...the other gal that neg'd her is keeping me company in the "afeered" department, lol.
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rarriffle
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posted on October 15, 2000 10:17:16 AM new
I'm proud of you mauimoods, she deserved it. The other seller was really upset, to say the least!!! At least other seller's are now warned.! 
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mauimoods
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posted on October 15, 2000 10:19:34 AM new
[ edited by mauimoods on Oct 15, 2000 02:36 PM ]
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getkicksonrte66
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posted on October 15, 2000 10:40:46 AM new
ANY Seller "afraid" to Post a Deserving Negative--on a Dead Beat Bidder-for Fear of Retaliatory Feedback should be tarred & feathered!! That mealy mouse attitude is nothing short of C'mon flakes here I am win my stuff--I don't care if ya pay!! Never worry I'll NEVER tarnish your feedback-I value mine toooooo much, OH & you can just call me Philadelphia Carpet--CUZ I let Evereybody Walk All Over Me!!  Just get all warm & fuzzy inside thinking about that OH sooo wonderful Stepped On Feeling!
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tomwiii
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posted on October 15, 2000 10:49:16 AM new
Just call me the Philadelphia Carpet!
"Don't call me a hotdog...
Don't call me a beanie...
Don't call me a frankfurter...
Yo, Baby, just call me a WEENIE!"
And PROUD of the STRIPE down me back!!
edited by T.Chicken, because, even tho I grew up in Philly, I misspelled it!
[ edited by tomwiii on Oct 15, 2000 10:57 AM ]
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mauimoods
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posted on October 15, 2000 12:03:32 PM new
To each his/her own, getkicksonrte66. When you have 17 or more negs looking at YOU, then tell me the same thing. Until then, youre entitled to your opinion. Got any more "and furthermores", just for good measure?
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HartCottageQuilts
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posted on October 15, 2000 12:24:54 PM new
Ooooooooooooh, maui, EXCELLENT wording! Absolutely the best yet!
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