club1man
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posted on June 7, 2002 01:57:43 PM new
Even Uaru will find this interesting. Last night he went to a site I posted http://paypal-casinos.com It advertised dozens of casino's that were accepting paypal because certian credit company's were rejecting payments. Today the link goes to a web hosting co.
Same thing has happened to the better business site that i was looking into that referenced paypal with HP They even washed the archives.
VERY INTERESTING
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uaru
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posted on June 7, 2002 02:30:04 PM new
club1man Even Uaru will find this interesting. Last night he went to a site I posted http://paypal-casinos.com It advertised dozens of casino's that were accepting paypal because certian credit company's were rejecting payments. Today the link goes to a web hosting co
First, I saw no such link posted by you last night, this was the site you posted: http://www.freecasinocash.net/wincontest.html. If I'm wrong please direct me to the correct post.
It is mildly interesting that the site you mention may be down. Didn't PayPal send a letter to another site using their company name in the domain name requesting they remove their name by 6/7? It would only make sense for the to have sent the same email to any site using their company name in the domain name.
I kinda figured that the BBB had made a mistake linking HP with a PayPal search. Didn't others express a similar opinion? Is it possible they corrected an error? If you turn anything up on your investigation of PayPal's ties to HP you be sure and let us know.
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club1man
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posted on June 7, 2002 02:45:30 PM new
yes the link http://paypal-casinos.com/ did take you to the link your talking about. When I talked to addr.com they said they will have to fix that we'll see
As far as the HP link It had been there for over a yr and all of a sudden when I inquired about it it disappeared.
Knew you would only find an excuse, yes their trying to take the first amendments rights away from paypalsucks.com and yes the law firm bought their sucks domain name too That was a good laugh.
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uaru
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posted on June 7, 2002 02:50:54 PM new
Here's a bit more that seems to support my theory. Here's another site that used PayPal's name in the domain name. http://www.paypalcasinos.com/ The site is still up but they are redirecting and explaining why.
To repeat myself. The site you are referencing to http://paypal-casinos.com probably suffered a similar fate. Again, please direct me to your post where you mentioned the paypal-casinos site in another thread. One of us is confused.
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club1man
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posted on June 7, 2002 03:13:23 PM new
I guess what I'm trying to say is that paypal advertises
Send Money
Pay anyone with an email address
Request Money
Send a personal or group bill
Then their terms say
You also agree not to use your PayPal account to sell securities, business opportunities, franchises, multi-level marketing, or goods with delivery delayed more than 20 days from the date of payment.
They claim the above are illegal then they allow casino's in unapproved(by them) to use their services.
Maybe if you read the other thread Paypal & online gambling violates visa policy
we'll be on the same track
[ edited by club1man on Jun 7, 2002 03:18 PM ]
[ edited by club1man on Jun 7, 2002 03:22 PM ]
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kkaaz
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posted on June 7, 2002 03:22:58 PM new
Paypal covers it\'s tracks ?
Did Paypal remove my post about one of their accounts being used to comit mail fraud ?
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ltlcrafty1
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posted on June 7, 2002 07:43:45 PM new
kkaaz;
It appears that way, as well as several others that exposed a certain individual for what they really are. (Well, not paypal, but Auction Watch).
How does the 1st amendment go again? Because apparently, I seem to be remembering it wrong.
Oh well, at least now maybe SOME of the B.S. will stop. If he ever did have credibility with anyone, they at least know he's not 'All That' like he would have you believe.
[ edited by ltlcrafty1 on Jun 7, 2002 08:38 PM ]
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thchaser200
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posted on June 7, 2002 11:48:29 PM new
Stoney,
When I signed up for paypal in 2000, I do not remember that line including the 20 days of shipping.
And I know that this is going to lead to the cut and pasting of some material from a certain person. The hardest part of paypal is that once a person is signed up, most people in the U.S. do not reread the TOS when they make a change in it. If everyone did, then you would just finish it, and have to start at the beginning and read the newest version. When paypal makes a change to the TOS, just give us the highlights of the change.
Second, in most other businesses, you are only held to the TOS at the time that you sign up, not the latest changes.
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Coonr
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posted on June 8, 2002 04:21:16 AM new
When paypal makes a change to the TOS, just give us the highlights of the change.
They do. Its in a link from the account summary page.
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club1man
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posted on June 8, 2002 05:22:56 AM new
If you go to this page http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://paypal.com
you'll find how often PAYPONZI changed their TOS. Also you'll find that they said in their TOS that they would notify you of important changes,which one of their employees testified they didn't.
Second most businesses aren't run like PAYPONZI. They don't intentionally hide things. They also don't have the complaints they do.
[ edited by club1man on Jun 8, 2002 05:24 AM ]
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Coonr
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posted on June 8, 2002 05:29:47 AM new
Also you'll find that they said in their TOS that they would notify you of important changes,which one of their employees testified they didn't.
Really? Which change was that?
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kkaaz
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posted on June 9, 2002 01:34:06 PM new
coonr.
[Really? Which change was that?]
I know of one change and I can prove it was done. And I have proof a Paypal employee denied it's change.
Damon from Paypal public claimed the sellers protection section of the terms of use were not changed on an Ebay message board. I accused Paypal of changing the "Sellers protection". He denied that change. HE said the sellers protection was not changed.
I got him to admit that.
(as he said I was not covered under the sellers protection. He failed to ever prove that.)
Damon is wrong. He is either just not informed or he is a flat out liar. The terms of use shows that the seller’s protection was re-worded. Between October 2001 and Jan 2002. That is a change. To change one single word alters a contract. The changes cannot be applied to events prior to that change. And members need to be informed of the change and they must agree to the change.
They changed the word Chargeback to the word reversal under the section of seller’s protection General.
That is a proven fact. You can go to
www.archive.org and see the actual changes.
And it's sad that the only contact I had with a Paypal employee in 6 months that could not hang up on me showed me proof that he is wrong and that he posted to me the wrong terms of use when defending Paypal's actions.
All of which was given to a law firm.
Thanks Damon from Paypal. I needed that......
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Coonr
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posted on June 9, 2002 02:44:58 PM new
The point is your still liable for the reversal. Even more so now that you have collected, at least partial from the customer. You cannot collect twice for the same transaction.
[ edited by Coonr on Jun 9, 2002 02:47 PM ]
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kkaaz
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posted on June 9, 2002 04:37:23 PM new
coonr:
Sorry to tell you but I don't owe Paypal anything. Paypal breached my user agreement by Damon posting the terms of use from Jan 2002 of the sellers protection which he claimed I did not meet. That is breach of contract. Therefor I owe Paypal nothing.
I have proof of the posting and will help me join one of the class action suits aginst Paypal.
If I get in, If Paypal settles out of court or better yet gets a judgement against them, I will be compensated for my trouble with the worthless company known as Paypal.
As Paypal allowed my buyer to a reversal of funds after I proved I shipped them the item they bought and they recived the item.
Paypal allows an account to be used to comit mail fraud. Paypal processed a reversal against my account which was not allowed by the terms of use at the date of the reversal.
The buyer of my item owes Paypal. If they send it to me first, I will make sure it goes to Paypal. (minus any service fees. I will not pay for service never recived.)
I know you are disapoint with Paypal but it is too late for you to show it now with all the copy and pasting you do to try and defend Paypal......
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