club1man
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posted on June 1, 2002 09:12:20 AM new
Pasted from paypalsucks.com Read the rest of the story at
http://paypalsucks.com/news.shtml
NoPayPal News!
PayPal's attorneys send threat email!
Quote:
We are intellectual property counsel to PayPal, Inc. of Palo Alto, California. As you are well aware, PayPal provides financial services under the PAYPAL name and service mark and owns and operates the website at . Our client's name, service mark and website are among its most valuable assets.
We have recently been made aware of your operation of two websites, and , that infringe our client's service mark rights in the PAYPAL mark. Printouts of your websites are attached to the confirmation copy of this letter. We further understand that these websites provide a forum to criticize PayPal, Inc. Our client respects your right to do so--provided your websites do not contain any false, disparaging or defamatory statements. We must remind you that any such statements contained on your websites are actionable and can subject you to liability.
Regardless of your purported mission, your use of our client's PAYPAL mark in connection with the operation of websites and in domain names constitutes trademark infringement. Quite simply, use of the PAYPAL mark in a commercial manner is not protected free speech. It is quite evident from your websites that you are profiting off of the PAYPAL mark by selling banner advertisements, offering competing financial services, and using your site to attract PayPal's customers for your own commercial gain. For such infringement, you can be held liable for monetary damages (tripled), an injunction and our client's attorneys' fees.
On behalf of our client, we must insist that you immediately cease all further use of the PAYPAL mark and transfer the domain names to our client. We further demand that you provide an accounting of the profits that you have received in connection with your operation of these websites.
Your swift and full cooperation would enable us to resolve this matter quickly and on an amicable basis. Please contact me as soon as possible, and no later than June 7, 2002, so that we may facilitate a prompt resolution of this matter.
Very truly yours,
Anthony J. Malutta
TOWNSEND and TOWNSEND and CREW LLP
Two Embarcadero Center, 8th Floor
San Francisco, CA 94111-3834
Tel: 415.576.0200
Fax: 415.576.0300
Email: [email protected]
www.townsend.com
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Coonr
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posted on June 1, 2002 10:08:07 AM new
I am glad to see Paypal start enforcing their rights against these bloodsuckers.
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club1man
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posted on June 1, 2002 10:23:50 AM new
Yes Coonr, you and your croney's would take American rights to freedom of speech away ------SIG HEIL
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Coonr
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posted on June 1, 2002 02:43:38 PM new
Nice Stoney. But your rights end where mine start. Or did you forget that bit about democracy?
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thchaser200
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posted on June 2, 2002 04:39:03 AM new
PayPal must be running scared from both PayPalsucks and PayPalwarning. The question is how much are they profiting since there is no place on either site to pay for anything.
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Coonr
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posted on June 2, 2002 06:43:10 AM new
Yea I am sure they are scared, there growth is only 28,000 new members a day.
A friend of mine wrote and orginally posted the following on the eBay message boards,
After reading the posts on the "paypalwarning Wall of Shame" site, it is obvious that many of the cited problems were directly related to the member's failure to read and understand PayPal's terms. Click here http://cinderellie.digitalrice.com/page03.html to read a brief analysis of the most recent stories.
"Take the "PayPalwarning" site with a grain of salt. Its full of misinformation, outdated information and 100% full of unverified stories. Better to see what eBay supports, dissiminates and disperses.
eBay has locked the following post at the top of their discussion board AND featured it on the right hand sidebar:
http://forums.ebay.com/dws?14@[email protected]
I think it's better to go with what eBay thinks is a good analysis of payment methods, rather than some dubious site where the owner refuses to reveal their identity."
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thchaser200
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posted on June 2, 2002 07:13:01 AM new
A lawsuit like PayPal is trying to do could take years and there is a real possibility that paypal will lose.
Why else would they go after these sites? There is something more that then just the fact that they use the word paypal in the domain name and neither site is making money.
As for the TOS, yes, most people do not read the TOS that paypal has and if they did, Paypal would not get the massive membership that you have every day.
A good example is if you read the TOS regarding chargebacks and not giving up my rights as a credit card holder. Since the TOS states that you have to place a complaint before you place a chargeback. If you do not, then PayPal restricts the account until you give paypal back the money and release paypal from any liability of the chargeback.
To me, this does make me give up my rights as a credit card user.
The comments that people are making about military service and attacking anyone for the spending 20 years in the service are totally uncalled for. Any person that spends anytime in the military should be commended for it. Instead of going to college and partying, these people gave up that and their constitional rights to defend this great country. I personally spent 7 years in the Marine Corps, and Coonr a 20 year hitch in any service is impressive and I thank you for it.
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Coonr
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posted on June 2, 2002 07:22:27 AM new
In reality, Paypal has not sued them yet. They have only demanded they stop using their trademark. If they do not comply, a lawsuit may follow, and than an impartial judge will get to rule.
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ltlcrafty1
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posted on June 2, 2002 11:28:47 AM new
coonr - re: your post here (yesterday) "I am glad to see Paypal start enforcing their rights against these bloodsuckers."
And your post in another thread (today):
"I have not insulted anyone till I was the victim of an attack".
So what attack are you a victim of now? Did stoney's post in this thread 'victimize' YOU in some way?
And in the same thread from yesterday, your message to Stoney said "...Your reply in this thread was not helpful or appropriate..."
And your reply here was helpful in what way?
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Coonr
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posted on June 2, 2002 01:34:55 PM new
ltlcrafty1,
If you read my comments you quoted, they were not directed at any individual on this board. Maybe I was mistaken when I understood this to be a 'discussion board'. I did not realize it was a private pulpit for Stoney to preach from without challenge or dissent.
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club1man
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posted on June 2, 2002 02:03:48 PM new
Coonr don't pat yourself on the back I accept any and all critizem. I'd even invite you to the house so you could read the transcript of the hearings, who knows it might just change your mind when you read the lies from both payponzi and their lawyers. I will admit that the lawyers probably lied unknowingly. Quote--Mr. xxxxx Received excellent customer service. WOW
Another thing, even your support for them helps keep the pressure on them, so they lose.
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Coonr
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posted on June 2, 2002 02:48:17 PM new
I accept any and all critizem.
Yea Right! You immediately attack anyone who has the slightest disagreement with you.
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ltlcrafty1
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posted on June 2, 2002 04:19:24 PM new
coonr - re: "If you read my comments you quoted, they were not directed at any individual on this board."
Yet part of what I quoted was when you told Club1man: "Your reply in this thread was not helpful or appropriate".
You're telling me that wasn't directed at any individual on this board?
You are a nutjob.
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Coonr
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posted on June 2, 2002 04:41:09 PM new
That also was not a personal attack.
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ltlcrafty1
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posted on June 2, 2002 04:57:18 PM new
coonr
No one said it was a personal attack. You said the comments I quoted were not directed at anyone on this board. They were.
You sure know how to side-step a question when you're wrong, don't you?
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Coonr
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posted on June 2, 2002 08:03:48 PM new
ltlcrafty1,
I am not wrong, and am not side strpping about anything.
Let me make it simple enough even you can understand.
"I am glad to see Paypal start enforcing their rights against these bloodsuckers."
Was not directed at anoyone individual on this board.
Your reply in this thread was not helpful or appropriate..."
Addressed to stoney was NOT an attack on him.
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club1man
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posted on June 2, 2002 08:30:15 PM new
We can see by coonrs posts that he suffers from payponzi syndrone---he's never wrong. But in all sincerity I have to thank him. He has helped me improve my typing skills (wish he could do the same for spelling) and by chasing me all over the boards he has actually helped keep me busy and kept me from being bored. Keep it up Coonr kudo's to you.
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Coonr
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posted on June 2, 2002 08:38:36 PM new
Given a litte time you might even come to recogonize some of your mistakes. 
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club1man
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posted on June 2, 2002 08:43:24 PM new
My mistake was not knowing about this forum before I started doing business with payponzi 
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dealerjim
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posted on June 3, 2002 12:18:41 AM new
Me too. It would've been nice to know about how crooked they were before signing up. Hey Bob, whens your next PayPal check coming in?
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Coonr
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posted on June 3, 2002 05:41:00 AM new
Jim, You problem was not fully understanding the Terms of use. Stoney on the other hand was in what I would consider a questionable business. You should be careful who you associate with.
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dealerjim
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posted on June 3, 2002 06:22:23 AM new
No, my problem was doing business with a half a$$ed company like PrayPal that could care less about their customers. They should just change they're TOS to #1. We are always right and you are always wrong. That should just about sum it up.
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dealerjim
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posted on June 3, 2002 06:23:19 AM new
No, my problem was doing business with a half a$$ed company like PrayPal that could care less about their customers. They should just change they're TOS to #1. We are always right and you are always wrong. That should just about sum it up.
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dealerjim
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posted on June 3, 2002 06:23:22 AM new
No, my problem was doing business with a half a$$ed company like PrayPal that could care less about their customers. They should just change they're TOS to #1. We are always right and you are always wrong. That should just about sum it up.
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mrfoxy76
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posted on June 3, 2002 07:29:00 AM new
My mistake was not knowing about this forum before I started doing business with payponzi
THATS THE BEST POST I READ IN A LONG TIME SAME APPLIES TO ME.
Connr you should cash out your stock options in paypal latest market quote is
PYPL 29.14 29.40 29.40 0.68
then retire if you not have already done so!!!
[ edited by mrfoxy76 on Jun 3, 2002 07:38 AM ]
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Coonr
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posted on June 4, 2002 12:27:53 PM new
Stops th likes of Paypalsucks.com form getting it. $20.00 to register the name and control it, beats a fight over it.
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club1man
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posted on June 4, 2002 02:48:00 PM new
Just checked and TOWNSENDANDTOWNSENDANDCREWSUCKS.net andTOWNSENDANDTOWNSENDANDCREWSUCKS.org ARE still available.
Coonr if you loan me the money I'll buy them. Sorry I don't take paypal.
[ edited by club1man on Jun 4, 2002 02:49 PM ]
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Coonr
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posted on June 4, 2002 04:46:44 PM new
Sorry that is the only way I could pay. 
[ edited by Coonr on Jun 4, 2002 05:13 PM ]
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pez1960
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posted on June 4, 2002 09:20:26 PM new
Coonr-
Caught you in another fib- you also accept Billpoint on the 'sly' - youve said so yourself many times on other boards. I mean, youre PP preferred, yet you say you also offer Billpoint- which is it?
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Coonr
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posted on June 4, 2002 09:40:03 PM new
No fib.
Difference is buying and selling.
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