marwin
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posted on December 13, 2000 07:19:14 PM
[ edited by marwin on Dec 23, 2000 09:00 PM ]
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KatyD
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posted on December 13, 2000 07:26:11 PM
I'm not inspired. I'm gagging.
KatyD
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sammysue
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posted on December 13, 2000 07:29:59 PM
Everybody to their own opinion!! I choose to disagree 
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NeartheSea
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posted on December 13, 2000 07:35:44 PM
Both did well.
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kitsch1
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posted on December 13, 2000 07:45:07 PM
Neither one used the word squaw in their speeches I'm bettin.
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FrannyS
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posted on December 13, 2000 07:47:32 PM
I watched Bush speak tonight, fully prepared to do rasberry's at the tv, holler "yeah right" and perhaps flip the bird every few minutes. I didnt. To be honest, I was a bit surprised and didnt flip or spppfffsssttt once.
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fountainhouse
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posted on December 13, 2000 07:56:13 PM
Nothing wrong with Dubya's speech, except that it followed Gore's. I can't remember when I heard a more exceptional concession. On the basis of that speech alone, I think he'll certainly have a political future if he wants one.
Now, a couple of questions: 1) where was Dick Cheney? I kept looking for him and listening for some reference to his whereabouts, but struck out on both. He's not sick again, is he? 2) Who the hell dressed Laura Bush in that gawdawful print dress???? Musta been the same person that hung those dreadful bandanas on the mantle! Somebody has their work cut out for them!
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oddish4
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posted on December 13, 2000 07:56:44 PM
I liked both speeches.
Oddish~ The Odd One
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stusi
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posted on December 13, 2000 07:56:47 PM
franny-don't be fooled, the teleprompters were everywhere.
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DoctorBeetle
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posted on December 13, 2000 08:20:30 PM
Gore did a magnificent concession speech. He showed a lot of class.
Bush also did well. Bush is not a polished speaker. I have seen too many glib talking heads to let a perfect delivery distract me from a lack of content. Bush is not the most polished speaker but the content of his speech was right on the money.
Dr. Beetle
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NeartheSea
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posted on December 13, 2000 08:22:18 PM
Cheney is in D.C., he did pick the best to run with, since Cheney knows D.C. and is a very intelligent man. Bush does not know D.C. (nothing wrong with that, we had a Govenor voted in eight years ago, that was not a D.C. person)
I read that Bush is a very articulate and pleasant man. Yes, I do believe the whole Presidential thing is overwhelming for him.
No, there were no teleprompters in that legislative bldg.
Gore was very gracious, dignified, and did very well.
Bush had to speak after Gore, because he waited on the phone call from Gore. There was no fanfare, no victory etc... it was more of a Presidential speech, as it should be, due to the circumstances.
Gore may have a future, but I think he better look out for Hillary in 2004.
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FrannyS
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posted on December 13, 2000 08:39:02 PM
Im guessing there were 3 teleprompters. One in the center, one on the left and one on the right. He kept moving his head all over, like he was looking at the audience. Still and all, I have to give him credit for not stumbling. I wont lie and go with the flow when I think he did well tonight, and he did. Minor kudos. I will wait to see what happens next. So far, I am pleasantly surprised. I am not a THEM or THEY or US. I am independant. So time will tell.
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Pocono
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posted on December 13, 2000 10:10:55 PM
There were two teleprompters.
One on the left, and one on the right, of which Bush read the entire speech off of.
His total look ahead time was 23.3 seconds.
The right side teleprompters contrast was set too high, and caused Bush's right eye to begin to water.
Also, as much as I despise Bush, I think he did a hell of a job tonight.
And Mr. Gore? I've never heard anything so moving in the political world.
I am proud to have backed him.
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stusi
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posted on December 14, 2000 09:58:36 AM
nearthesea-"i read that Bush is.. very articulate", "there were no teleprompters" you are joking, right? have you never listened to any of his many verbal blunders? did you not see the teleprompter that was visible on the screen for about ten seconds as he was leaving the podium? these statements were just to see if anyone was paying attention, right?
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LadyGambler
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posted on December 14, 2000 11:05:45 AM
Both men gave excellent speeches and were true gentlemen.
Again, what is the big deal about using teleprompters? Would anyone here feel comfortable giving a speech of that magnitude without the use of modern technology?
Granted, Bush isn't the greatest public speaker in the world. So? Gore couldn't spell Potato. So? These men are both human and are not exempt from human foibles and limitations. None of us are.
I am a Republican. I was heartsick when Bill Clinton won the last two elections. However, first and foremost I am an AMERICAN and will support my President, right or wrong. Democrat or Republican.
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Zazzie
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posted on December 14, 2000 11:09:12 AM
LadyGambler-----that was Republican Vice President Dan Quayle(sp?) who couldn't spell Potato--
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LadyGambler
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posted on December 14, 2000 11:20:59 AM
Zazzie,
You are absolutely right! My mistake. My point is that both men are subject to human frailties, as are we all. Emotions have run so high during the election that bashing has occurred over things that would have no bearing, whatsoever, on how either man would have carry out the office. Bashing this one's ears, that one's nose, this one's accent, that one's make-up. You know? Little, nit-picky things that have nothing to do with the issues our country faces.
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victoria
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posted on December 14, 2000 11:42:27 AM
Both speeches were crafted with the assistance of the best wordsmiths and PR advisors money can buy. I'd have been surprised if their speeches weren't word perfect and politically correct.
I'll respect the person who speaks extemporaniously and still doesn't bite their own tongue in half.
How can I ever know what a person truly thinks and believes if they never speak without the aid of a teleprompter and pre-approved script, which only means that everyone in their retinue had a chance to pass an opinion on this word or that phrase? Set this mood. Say what the latest poll tells them that the people want to hear. That's why I like the debates. See if anybody can actually speak for themselves, although they script that in advance as much as possible too.
I just wish that I'd had the chance to vote for someone who has actually had a life outside of the elite political and wealthy circles.
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FrannyS
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posted on December 14, 2000 12:41:29 PM
Then kudos to the speech writers. "They done good"
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gravid
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posted on December 14, 2000 12:48:05 PM
I saw the stage before Bush walked up on it. There were two reflectors to read off of - one on each side. I don't expect any politician to speak extemporaniously anymore.
It is just viewed as too big a risk.
I feel they both were well spoken as they should be with all the writers and help they have, but don't understand why they both felt the need to say so MUCH.
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eyeguy6
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posted on December 14, 2000 12:52:37 PM
I have been enlightened. All this time I thought that "hate speech" was a Republican trait. Apparently I was mistaken.
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jamesoblivion
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posted on December 14, 2000 12:55:18 PM
eyeguy6, any politician is fair game, and they know that full well and accept it, or else they'd choose a less innoccuos line of work. That is the small price they pay for power.
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eyeguy6
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posted on December 14, 2000 01:00:27 PM
James - I agree 100%. Politicians enter this game at their own risk. My point is that conservative Republicans are always tagged as being "mean spirited". Seems to me that most of the childish name calling here is being done by the good hearted liberals.
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stusi
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posted on December 14, 2000 01:06:19 PM
eyeguy6- "hate speech"? "childish name calling"? are we looking at the same thread? some "good hearted" Republican sensitivity?
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Shoshanah
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posted on December 14, 2000 01:20:10 PM
Both did well. Mr. Gore's speech was short, to the point, classy, with no sign of the pain he must be feeling. Mr Bush....
Mr. Gore will be back...
Only an opinion...I am not forcing it on anyone.
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[ edited by Shoshanah on Dec 14, 2000 01:21 PM ]
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boysmommy3
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posted on December 14, 2000 01:46:55 PM
"Who the hell dressed Laura Bush in that gawdawful print dress???? Musta been the same person that hung those dreadful bandanas on the mantle! Somebody has their work cut out for them!"
As I have stated numerous times - the Bush clan must get a PR person and pronto. Their attire was not of the class of President and the first lady.
For the poster that said no one here could give that kind of speech without the use of a teleprompter. If the President of the greatest nation on earth does not have the balls (confidence) to give a riveting speech like the one last night on his own - we are in for trouble. Being the leader of the United States he should want to give speeches like that - he should have the confidence to not only carry it through but eloquently liked he enjoyed it - why else be in office. He will be center stage for the next 4 years - if he is uncomfortable we are in trouble.
But we all know he required drugs to be comfortable with his own skin. So he probably isn't comfortable at all and that is sad.
Get them a PR guy and George for God's sake memorize your speeches if you cannot remember what to say.
For the poster that said he is articulate - you must have your men mixed up. He isn't even in office and there are many long tapes on his speaking inadequacies and blunders. Think what the next 4 years will bring.
Enough said I could go on forever. I am happy the legal fight is over and I look forward to 4 years from now when a new man will take office. I pity GW and only hope he steps up and does not embarass us as a country.
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jamesoblivion
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posted on December 14, 2000 01:50:48 PM
Just out of curiosity, how come no one seems to notice that Pres. Clinton, who is a very dynamic speaker, also uses a teleprompter?
(maybe it's because he gives the impression that he doesn't really need it?)
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eyeguy6
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posted on December 14, 2000 01:51:12 PM
I don't think we need to worry about GW embarassing us. We're doing a perfectly fine job of that all on our own.
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Shoshanah
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posted on December 14, 2000 02:14:54 PM
James...maybe because few watch all of the State Addresses... ??
I assume the comments were relating more to last night's speeches; sorry if I am wrong...
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stusi
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posted on December 14, 2000 02:50:33 PM
boysmommy3- you have to learn to speak what's on your mind! LOL! for those who still are missing the teleprompter idea, it is not that most, if not all, Presidents do use one, it is just that in the opinion of many GWB would be totally lost without one. it is also my understanding that Gore wrote his own concession speech. maybe speechwriting could be a new career choice for him. only joking fellow Dems. by the way, contrary to what Rush Limbaugh says, not all Dems are Liberals. but then again, compared to him almost anyone could be considered a Liberal!
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