posted on October 5, 2003 08:26:30 AM new
Thought this might give a couple of laughs to some of you.
Confounded by Chads? Don't Vote!
Saturday, October 04, 2003
By Dennis Miller
"Hey get this I want to talk about voting. Since the recall in California is coming up, we'll use that for purposes of our tutorial. The lesson to be learned is this: If you are too stupid to vote correctly, don't vote!
"Now I know they are expecting a big turnout next week, especially now that Arianna Huffington (search) has loosed up her three-and-a-half votes to freely roam the plains. You know, if you look up unlikable in the dictionary, well, I'm not going to tell you there's an actual picture of her, but you will kinda imagine you see one? sorta.
Liberals in California quibble with anything to do with common sense and they now seem to be inferring that some of our citizens cannot navigate the narrow shoals of pushing a chad out with a sharp implement. It would appear that the liberal Ninth Circuit Court and other left-leaning groups herein feel that they can poke holes in anything unless of course it's a punch card voting ballot.
Let me reiterate, if you're such a complete zipper-head that you cannot maneuver your way around a chad, then guess what? I don't want you to vote because you'll vote stupid and I'm not talking about run of the mill stupidity here either. I'm talking about weapon-grade stupidity.
It's a chad. Deal with it. While you're at it, if you do happen to have a pipe cleaner for a brain stem, maybe you ought to practice getting in and out of the shower before you go to the polling place. Because you certainly don't want to put yourself in harm's way entering and exiting the steel vault that is the voting booth.
You know what? I don't believe there are voters out there who can't figure out how to vote. I think for the most part if you're that big a moron you tend to stay home on election day and hurt yourself trying to TiVo the Quick Draw McGraw marathon on the cartoon channel because Baba Looey sounds just like the voice in your head.
Folks, I feel this is just another contrarian ACLU contrivance. I blame them for the fact, that California is now so far out of the main stream it's not longer considered contiguous. The liberals are so wrong in this case, I feel like they're gas-lighting me. They have somehow now managed to make empathy an intellectual exercise. Beware of that condescension and remember that liberals always feel your pain unless of course they caused it.
posted on October 5, 2003 12:08:38 PM new
I'm glad you said some of us, Linda! Dennis Miller has to be one of the most densest human beings alive. Besides Carrot Top, can anyone think of a stupider person??
posted on October 5, 2003 01:08:54 PM new
KD - I think he's funny. And so must many as I think I've read he's going to be doing a weekly 'joke' on Fox News each week.
posted on October 5, 2003 01:22:30 PM new
Dennis Miller is real good at insulting people, and that's about all he's good at. I guess that's why he switched his politics a few years back, probably figures republican speaking engagements will net a bigger fee.
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In this world of sin and sorrow, there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican. -- H.L. Mencken
posted on October 5, 2003 03:11:02 PM new
profe - LOL I guess that's why he switched his politics a few years back....
Did he??? Well, many are leaving the dem party. Recent reports say fewer people are registering to the democratic party...so Miller being one of them, wouldn't surprise me at all. Smart move on his part, imo. LOL
I'm beginning to enjoy his truthful humor. .. almost as much as the lady who's babies you want to have.
posted on October 5, 2003 04:51:51 PM new
Helen - You crack me up. 2000 is recent to you?
I was speaking about recent reports that showed voters joining the democratic party are down in numbers.
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And IF you're still focusing on the 2000 election, even your NYT [along with the other media that joined them] admitted that President Bush won the state of FL, and thus, the election.
linda, I posted the results of the last three elections to illustrate the rising numerical voting trend throughout those years. No sober individual should be "cracked up" by that information.
Your information about declining voter registration numbers, if true, is very unusual because, historically, voting and registration rates have been higher in years with Presidential elections than in the "off" years. In other words, the voter registration would be rising in both parties.
If you have a link to such dubious information, I would like to see it.
A comprehensive review of the uncounted Florida ballots from last year's presidential election reveals that George W. Bush would have won even if the United States Supreme Court had allowed the statewide manual recount of the votes that the Florida Supreme Court had ordered to go forward.
Contrary to what many partisans of former Vice President Al Gore have charged, the United States Supreme Court did not award an election to Mr. Bush that otherwise would have been won by Mr. Gore. A close examination of the ballots found that Mr. Bush would have retained a slender margin over Mr. Gore if the Florida court's order to recount more than 43,000 ballots had not been reversed by the United States Supreme Court.
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posted on October 5, 2003 08:00:40 PM new
I don't think so Twelve. I think that in the next year there are going to be more than a few new scandals coming out of the Bush White House regarding the Iraq war. Another year will have passed and unless there is some serious stability put in place and a lessoning of troop deaths people are really going to start taking a closer look. I also think that he is going to be spending so muh time two stepping around those issues that he is not going to tackle other issues that need to be dealt with. I think Bush pulled the IRaq trigger too early. He should have waitied 18 months and the campaigned on the good will that immediately followed the war rather than in the glare of the spotlight on the aftermath.
Besides - his speaking skills are like nails on a chalk board, the more he campaigns, the more people will wish he would just shut up.
I could be wrong, but I don't think it's going to be as easy as many of his supporters think it is.
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If it's really "common" sense, why do so few people actually have it?
posted on October 5, 2003 09:17:40 PM new
twelve, I guess the polls are some sort of left wing conspiracy?
linda, these polls don't seem to jibe with your lower democrat registration assertions. Can you post a link that doesn't come from NewsMax OR the Washington Post ? TIA
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In this world of sin and sorrow, there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican. -- H.L. Mencken
posted on October 6, 2003 09:21:44 PM new
NearTheSea - Thanks for finding and posting that url. So many democrats still keep bringing up the issue of who won. Maybe some have missed reading or hearing about that.
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profe - Sorry not to have responded right away. I had a mini-emergency to deal with.
As I have told you before I read many different online news articles, often. Remember, I gave you the list once? So your request was one where I couldn't easily just find "A" link to. And just as an aside, both the Washington Post and Newsmax ARE considered media news outlets, just like the others are.
Anyway...since I couldn't remember exactly where I'd seen this mentioned several times, I have taken the time to do a google search and this is what I found. Because of each articles lenght, I have just posted the relevent part, and have listed the source and date of the article. Hope these help to make you see why I made the statement I did.
Sep. 03, 2003
Hispanic Voters Showing Less Allegiance
WILL LESTER
Associated Press
WASHINGTON - Hispanic voters are an increasingly independent-minded group and their preferences on the issues don't fit neatly into the traditional Democratic or Republican model, say pollsters studying the crucial voter bloc.
Democrats are finding that Hispanic voters are not as dependable a part of their party's base, but Republicans haven't yet picked up additional support, pollsters from both parties agree. "The Hispanic electorate has changed in a very important way," said Democratic pollster Sergio Bendixen. "It formerly was dominated by U.S.-born Hispanics and they were part of the base of the Democratic Party."
Bendixen said about half of the Hispanic electorate is now made up of foreign-born immigrants who speak predominantly Spanish. "These new voters have become swing voters," Bendixen said in a conference call Tuesday organized by the New Democrat Network, a centrist Democratic political action committee. "They can no longer be considered part of the Democratic base."
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PRweb.com 10-6-03
Conservative Democrats Unite.
The Conservative Democratic Caucus Gives Voice to the Growing Number of Conservatives in the Democratic Party
Las Vegas, Nevada (PRWEB) August 2003 –- A growing number of democrats have been voicing their concern over the image and perception of the Democratic Party. Perceived by the public as left leaning and liberal the Democratic Party moderate and conservative factions have become disenfranchised. The Republican Party has made tremendous inroads to traditionally Democratic groups, and the Democratic Party's reaction has been to retreat to the far left. Recently a pollster for President Bill Clinton warned that The Democratic Party is "currently in its weakest position since the dawn of the New Deal." In response to these ongoing concerns, the Conservative Democratic Caucus (CDC) was formed. With more and more Americans identifying themselves as conservatives, and a declining percentage of Americans who identify themselves as Democrats, the CDC offers an alternative. The CDC agenda is to support and protect the Constitution and Bill of Rights, as they exist, to win back disenfranchised democrats and act as a Conservative voice in the Democratic Party.
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This is just bragging
October 1, 2003
Contact: Christine Iverson
202-863-8614
Republican National Committee Breaks One Million New Donor Record Bush Breaks Previous Record Set by Ronald Reagan
Washington, DC -- Republican National Committee Chairman Ed Gillespie today announced that President George W. Bush has broken former President Ronald Reagan's record of attracting first-time contributors to the Republican Party.
More than one million new people have donated to the Republican Party since George W. Bush was sworn in as president in January of 2001, shattering the previous record set by former President Ronald Reagan. Their average contribution is less than $30.
Under Reagan, 853,595 people donated to the Republican Party for the first time during an eight-year span encompassing his two terms in office. Bush has broken that record in less than three years, versus Reagan?s eight.
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Republican Registration on the Rise in Louisiana Date: 9/17/03 The Republican Party is indeed the growing political party in Louisiana. In fact, recent figures by the LA Department of Elections and Registration indicate that the number of Republican registrants is far out pacing the Democrats. According to the Department of Elections, in January 3, 2003 there were 628,787 registered Republicans in Louisiana. As of September 12, 2003 there are now 644,864 Republicans; a total increase of 16,077 registered Republicans in just over nine months.
Those numbers are in stark contrast with the Democrat Party wherein the same time period, January 3rd ? September 12th the Democrats only gained a total of 1,114 registrants.
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New Democrats Online
7-28-03
Fifteen months from the 2004 election, President Bush appears vulnerable, presenting Democrats with a real opportunity. But in order to take back the White House, Democrats must make inroads among suburban and middle class families with children. This growing segment of the population holds the bulk of swing voters -- and favors Republicans by increasingly wide margins. In fact, in terms of raw numbers of voters who identify themselves as Democrats, the Democratic Party is currently in its weakest position since the dawn of the New Deal. Exciting the Democratic base alone will not bring enough voters into the Democratic fold. The heart of the middle class -- suburban parents -- will decide whether a Democrat can defeat George W. Bush in 2004.
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South Carolina's Home Page
The electorate in Iowa has changed since Gephardt last sought the presidency, with more registered Republicans than Democrats, and independent outnumbering both. Among Democrats, voters are older and have become more moderate.
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The Seattle Times 7-29-03
Democratic Support Fading
PHILADELPHIA — The Democratic Party is approaching the 2004 elections in its weakest position since Franklin Roosevelt forged the enduring Democratic coalition 70 years ago, a prominent pollster warned yesterday.
The party still has solid support from the core of Roosevelt's coalition — union members, minorities and the working poor — said pollster Mark Penn. It also enjoys solid support from gays and Hispanics, the nation's fastest-growing minority.
But less than one-third of Americans now consider themselves Democrats, down from 49 percent at their peak in 1958. And Democrats lag well behind Republicans among other growing groups of voters whose loyalties swing back and forth between parties and who hold the key to close elections — including suburbanites, professionals and middle-class families with children. That leaves the party in a poor position to build the new coalition it needs to beat President Bush and build an enduring majority in an evenly divided country. "In terms of the percentage of voters who identify themselves as Democrats, the Democratic Party is currently in its weakest position since the dawn of the New Deal," Penn told a gathering of the Democratic Leadership Council, a group of centrist Democrats. "Exciting the Democratic base alone will not bring enough voters into the Democratic fold."
Penn, who was President Clinton's pollster, revealed his findings at a time when centrists are again battling liberals for dominance within the Democratic Party. Centrists fear that catering to the party's base with anti-war talk and "big government" proposals for health care will repel other voters.
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9-13-03
On paper, at least, Republicans appear to be making some progress in Riverside County. Registrar of Voters Mischelle Townsend said last week that the number of registered voters in the county increased by 6,738 since Aug. 8, and 3,740 of those new voters -- or 56 percent -- were Republicans. Democrats gained only 1,409 voters, or 21 percent of the increased registration. The number of voters who declined to state a party preference outpaced Democratic gains, growing by 1,424. - TheDesertSun.Com
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GOP registration push leaves Democrats lagging in Valley August 28, 2003
For Republicans, the drive to recall Gov. Davis has produced an unexpected windfall in Fresno County: a surge in registration that has given the party an unprecedented lead over its Democratic rival. With the Oct. 7 recall election just six weeks away, registered Republicans now outnumber Democrats by 16,601 in Fresno County. At this time last year, the Democrats held a 3,214 voter-registration edge over the Republicans. Since February, the GOP has gained 2,243 voters in Fresno County.
RescueCalifornia.com
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Concordmonitor.com Oct. 6, 2003
Andy Smith, the director of the University of New Hampshire Survey Center, noted that the number of undecided voters in New Hampshire is still high - between 25 percent and 35 percent, according to most polls. That's much higher than four years ago, when the numbers were at 6 or 8 percent, he said. Those 2000 polls showed Bush leading McCain, of course, so the numbers didn't mean the race was already decided. "The point is, the voters were happy with their candidates," Smith said. "They were able to choose somebody within the field and say, 'I like this guy,' he said. "I think voters look at these candidates and they're not sure any of these guys can beat Bush." And if loyal Democrats are uncertain about who to support this time around, it seems logical that swing-voters would be even more flummoxed. ---------------
4-15-03 - Rightturns.com
In fact President Bush will win California in 2004.
Latino turnout declined in the last election, and the Field Poll shows surprisingly high Latino support for President Bush's reelection (36%).
Party registration trends are in the GOP's favor. Republican registration, after steady decline, has now begun to rise to 35.2% of registered voters. Democratic registration has dropped to 44.2%. Second, the Field Poll showed that non-partisan voters are divided on the presidential race; a serious problem for democrats who have needed a solid majority of this group to win statewide races.
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7-10-03 NYT
"Democrats can no longer consider the Hispanic electorate as a base vote," Maria T. Cardona, director of the Hispanic Project at the New Democrat Network, said.
The network helped the party create the agenda, and it financed the poll of 800 Hispanic voters conducted May 27 through June 3, with almost half the interviews conducted in Spanish.
"They are increasingly looking at the Republican Party as an option," Ms. Cardona said.
The survey findings and other data assembled by the New Democrat Network reflect that.
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The Washington Times - 7-14-03
Recent studies have found younger blacks straying from a steadfast fidelity to the Democratic Party.
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PRWEB Newswire
August 27, 2003
The Conservative Democratic Caucus Gives Voice to the Growing Number of Conservatives in the Democratic Party
Las Vegas, Nevada (PRWEB) August 2003 –- A growing number of democrats have been voicing their concern over the image and perception of the Democratic Party. Perceived by the public as left leaning and liberal the Democratic Party moderate and conservative factions have become disenfranchised. The Republican Party has made tremendous inroads to traditionally Democratic groups, and the Democratic Party's reaction has been to retreat to the far left. Recently a pollster for President Bill Clinton warned that The Democratic Party is "currently in its weakest position since the dawn of the New Deal." In response to these ongoing concerns, the Conservative Democratic Caucus (CDC) was formed. With more and more Americans identifying themselves as conservatives, and a declining percentage of Americans who identify themselves as Democrats, the CDC offers an alternative. The CDC agenda is to support and protect the Constitution and Bill of Rights, as they exist, to win back disenfranchised democrats and act as a Conservative voice in the Democratic Party.
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May 2003 The Washington Times
A survey last summer by the Joint Center for Political and Economic Studies, which focuses on black issues, found black partisan identification with the Democrats declining. Only 63 percent of black voters now call themselves Democrats, down from 74 percent in 2000. Self-identified independents were up 20 percent.
Notably, internal polls conducted for the DNC in preparation for 2004, reveal similar signs of partisan erosion among younger black voters, a party adviser told me this week.
This slippage is even more evident among heavily Democratic Hispanic and Latino voters. Some 35 percent of all Hispanics voted Republican in 2002, according to postelection surveys.
This erosion in the Democrats' base, plus increased Republican turnout of its own voter base, led to Democratic losses in governors and Senate races in Maryland, Georgia, Florida, Missouri, Minnesota and elsewhere.
The AFL-CIO and its labor unions have been spending hundreds of millions of dollars to expand the Democratic labor vote, but without much success. A third or more of labor union rank-and-file are regularly voting Republican and some union surveys suggest the shift is growing, a union campaign strategist told me.
All this suggests the Democratic voter base is shrinking.
Blacks, Hispanics and organized labor represent three of the Democrats' biggest and most loyal voting blocs. Peel away even a relatively small percentage, say 5 percent to 8 percent more among minorities and union members, and the Democrats become a permanent minority party.
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7-03 New Democrats Online
Fifteen months from the 2004 election, President Bush appears vulnerable, presenting Democrats with a real opportunity. But in order to take back the White House, Democrats must make inroads among suburban and middle class families with children. This growing segment of the population holds the bulk of swing voters -- and favors Republicans by increasingly wide margins. In fact, in terms of raw numbers of voters who identify themselves as Democrats, the Democratic Party is currently in its weakest position since the dawn of the New Deal. Exciting the Democratic base alone will not bring enough voters into the Democratic fold. The heart of the middle class -- suburban parents -- will decide whether a Democrat can defeat George W. Bush in 2004. Apart from the expanding Latino population, the natural trends of growth in the electorate -- the decline of manufacturing jobs and the shift from cities to suburbs and exurbs, and the dramatic increases in college education and white-collar and professional jobs -- do not favor the Democrats. Quite the contrary; those trends have generally helped the Republicans, and will continue to do so unless the Democratic Party broadens its appeal. While the Democratic Party is seen as having the best platform for blue-collar workers and members of labor unions, they are not seen as a party with a program for suburbanites, white-collar workers, and professionals.
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ooops, think I may have duplicate a post or two. sorry.
posted on October 7, 2003 08:03:48 AM new
Dennis Miller's humor is exclusively about insults. He can take a public issue and find a personal insult to throw at someone- and he expects to get a laugh out of it. That's probably why he became a Republican. Right-wingers appreciate that kind of humor.
"And All Shall be Well, and All Shall be Well, and All Manner of Things Shall be Well"
posted on October 7, 2003 10:48:59 AM newI didn't think that you could back up your original statement.
And here I thought I did a GREAT job of backing up my position that the democrats are losing ground/supporters. Look at this link...it's from 1999. And the trend doesn't appear to be changing.
Despite the motor voter law and the increasing availability of on-line registration forms, registration (See Note 5) declined by two percentage points to an estimated 65 percent of eligibles. Democratic registration continued its steady 36-year decline, while registration for none-of-the-above – for third parties and as independents – continued its equally steady 40-year increase. These trends tend to point to the increased fragility of the current two-party regime, in general, and to continuing and deepening problems for the Democratic Party, in particular. (See Pages 6-9.)
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[ edited by Linda_K on Oct 7, 2003 11:14 AM ]
posted on October 7, 2003 11:27:59 AM new
LOL The CDC [Conservative Democratic Caucus] was formed to address this concern of the their party. The democratic party is very divided. Those far far far far left, like yourself, are turning 'swing' voters away from your party.
Even clinton was a 'centralist'. Don't believe HIS polster huh? lol
The voters who are going to decide the 2004 election results are going to be all the voters who are registered in the 'other' catagories. [not rep or dems] 'undecideds'....the 'swing' voters....like me
Of course, you have read that Hillary has now registered to be able to run this year. If she does you going to call her a liar? lol
So your request was one where I couldn't easily just find "A" link to. And just as an aside, both the Washington Post and Newsmax ARE considered media news outlets, just like the others are.