posted on September 18, 2003 08:28:31 PM new
from posting their silly get back feedbacks. contact e bay ANYWAY you can. Make a STAND on this issue. No payment, No feedback rights. filed those NPB fees, once we do the FINAL jump through the hoops,,,,,20 days of carp! Blocked! otherwise,,,feed back is a JOKE!
posted on September 19, 2003 05:23:16 AM new
Jack,
Just a question: is there ever a reason for non-payment? Shipping gouging, or you find out after winning auction, product is not EXACTLY as described? (i.e. auction says MINT, and at EOA seller emails and says btw, there is one small chip, scratch, etc. on the thing?)
posted on September 19, 2003 05:56:39 AM new
If the seller did change the condition of the item in their EOA, that would be an interesting thought to not pay for something you bid on...
However, I don't see many sellers saying that AND not offering the winner a way out... so would not be an issue.
and the age old question "shipping gouging" if the cost isn't listed and you didn't ask... well just because you "feel" the shipping is to high, that is NOT a valid reason not to pay.
posted on September 19, 2003 07:19:24 AM new
Twelve, who is "feeling" anything?
A buyer who is a seller "knows" what the approx shipping should be.
I never mind doing low cost on the item (i.e., penny or .99) and letting the seller make full profit on shipping. But I do mind paying normal value for item and then more than 5 overage on the shipping.
posted on September 19, 2003 01:50:28 PM new
To play the Devil's Advocate here a bit, technically the buyers are required to pay but ebay makes NPBs are pain so at a minimum the buyers can forego paying for at least two auctions in a roling six month period without incurring a suspension and probably many more as a LOT of sellers do not file for the NPBs. The threat of a negative feedback or return negative keeps many of the deadbeat's feedback records fairly clean too.
All weaknesses in the ebay suit of armour.
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posted on September 19, 2003 01:55:16 PM new
As much as I feel your pain Jack, ebay is never, ever going to do this. They'd be in the middle of a million "he said/she said" arguments every day. They're "Just a Venue" remember
posted on September 19, 2003 03:04:29 PM new
I agree with the last post.
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posted on September 19, 2003 03:30:17 PM new
You're assuming that every case is clear cut and every seller is completely honest. Anything less is simply ebay taking sides, and they just ain't. gonna. do it.
The he said/she said comes in when the buyer writes to ebay raising holy heck because they "sent their payment!! It's cashed even!" See what I mean about it looking like ebay has taken sides? Right or wrong, that's what it is. "The seller said you didn't pay. Too bad. We're not listening to you." There are too many scenarios where this would not be fair.
Fraudulant sellers are rampant enough. Imagine the following: Dude has 1000 computers. He files an NPB on every one of the people that pay for a computer before they can file feedback. The rest of the bidders have no warning at all, not even our flawed feedback system. Think he'll go at it a little longer than he normally could have? Yup. Of course ebay is going to catch on fairly quickly, but you're still going to be missing those negatives right away.
Don't get me wrong..I'd love to see it happen. I'm just not holding my breath.
