posted on October 16, 2000 11:50:39 AM
Great! Where do I sign up for this option for my auctions??
Checking the eBay site....looking...still looking... hmmm....
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posted on October 16, 2000 12:20:00 PM
Sounds like a good idea to me. Personally, I am looking forward to the day when eBay requires all sellers to submit their reseller # before listing.
posted on October 16, 2000 12:28:45 PM
If it's the same as Yahoo, that doesn't mean too much. If they use it to make sure sellers get paid, that's different.
posted on October 16, 2000 02:02:07 PM
Wow, I hope ebay doesn't change and make everyone who sells there have a reseller #.
What would happen to all of us who are just basically doing online yardsales...? We really aren't running a business - we're just yardsaling, piece by piece by piece.
If everyone I bought from on ebay had to have a reseller number...well, I'm sure I wouldn't end up getting some of the great bargains I get currently by buying from other online yardsaling moms...
If and when I decide to start buying for resale, I'll get a business license, etc. and go at it in a big way...but for now, I prefer to keep my dayjob, and do ebay part time with my household junk..oops, I mean "goods"..without a business license, reseller number, etc.
posted on October 16, 2000 02:05:10 PMPersonally, I am looking forward to the day when eBay requires all sellers to submit their reseller # before listing.
And then all the buyers might as well go to the mall.
posted on October 16, 2000 03:17:29 PM" I am looking forward to the day when eBay requires all sellers to submit their reseller # before listing."
EBay may share that thought. I remember a recent article where they expressed how they wanted to change their image from the 'garage sale' image. When/if eBay makes it a business only operation I'll be gone. I'll look for my OOP items and collectibles elsewhere. EBay will never successfully compete with the local mall...NEVER.
posted on October 16, 2000 03:47:47 PM
My goodness! It would seem that they don't want their friends at Disney to go through the pain and strain of deadbeat bidders. Why won't they do something like that at ebay???? They only require it for the free email addresses. There is one guy on AOL who has been permanently banned and just sets up new AOL addresses. Ebay won't do anything. Then new customer service assistants say that they don't have proof.
posted on October 16, 2000 04:05:22 PM
glasshat and capasto: ?????
It is my distinct impression that eBay Sellers CAN operate in the exact same way, so I do not know why people protest.
Any eBay Seller can state as their TOS, "I only accept credit card payments through eBay's Billpoint." OR, to simply eliminate ANY fraudulent cc use, simply state in your auction that payment is via Billpoint e-check, only.
I think that the caveat on the Disney Auctions is absolutely SUPERB, because if Disney does attract a lot of NEW BIDDERS to eBay, they are gonna be legitimate ones.
Not just a bunch a deadbeats who resemble malicious automated bots.
posted on October 16, 2000 04:10:29 PM
I just made the reseller # comment to gauge peoples reactions. As to whether it would be a smart move is highly debatable. But I do believe that this is the direction eBay wants to go, and this is why we see them partnering with Disney, Hard Rock, Warner Brothers, etc. etc...
I wonder how Disney will handle the deadbeats that still get through. Do you think they'll show up here at AuctionWatch to trade tips?
posted on October 16, 2000 07:55:20 PM
kathyg: I disagree. I believe that eBay wants to be and intends to remain the world's largest person-2-person marketplace.
That, however, does NOT preclude partnering with specific worldclass corporations, if they believe it will benefit both eBay and also its most precious asset, IMO, all of the unique little microbusinesses that comprise the FASCINATING fun part of eBay.
I am certain that MANY people are keeping a close eye on the impact that the DISNEYeBay Auctions actually have.
posted on October 16, 2000 08:06:41 PM
And the seller (disneyauctionears) has a private feedback.
I guess eBay had enough with the butterfields fiasco.
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posted on October 16, 2000 09:04:59 PM
radh~ Imagine if ebay would have done this years ago. Less deadbeats, and the unregistered users would be gone. Now, if they could only do something about the bad checks we get and have for lunch...that would help us quite a bit. None the less, I think it makes them more responsible for upping the anti and getting more mature as time goes on with their responsiblilty to sellers/buyers.
posted on October 16, 2000 09:54:32 PMRadh ..... Well said @ 07:55:20 PM .
eBay has given every seller on their site the tools to control their own destiny.
As far as "reseller #'s" muuuahahahahahah!
Get real, eBay can't even verify it's non U.S. sellers, let alone begin the task of attempting to find out who's a registered biz, and who isn't.
posted on October 16, 2000 09:54:46 PM
OK so now ebay is copying Yahoo- re the bidder CC# WATCH sales plummet! They already have on Yahoo.
Can you imagine having to give your CC# to Walmart EVEN though you plan to use cash?? Somehow, I still believe this is not right - we yell about being "big brothered" but this is just the beginning. The whole world's CC#'s are going to be online.
There was a huge story (in like People or one of the reputable mags) of this guy who scammed some CD online company (he was in Europe somewhere) What he did was hack into their site - got all the CC#'s and held them hostage asking for 1 zillion $$ or something or he would release and SELL these CC#s Guess what-- they didn't bite and by the time it was stopped, he had sold 25,000 CC#s The CC owner had no idea how it happened.
I think this "protection" thingy is goin much too far.
Used to be that a % of people would NEVER give out their card - now they want ALL bidders and sellers to do it. I ask you, WHAT will they do? The deal can't go through without money in the CC acct. so WHAT could happen on the bidder side ----------or am I missing something here.
How many auctions are y'all willing to give your CC# to as a bidder???
posted on October 16, 2000 10:04:15 PM
I don't know, if someone wants to be a deadbeat, or more accurately, wants to defraud a seller of their item somehow, filing a credit card doesn't seem much of a barrier -- it is incredibly easy to obtain someone else's credit card number, name & address -- people are hanging around dumpsters every day doing this (we generally call them criminals), and I just don't see how filing this gives any seller, including Disney, protection:
Bidder files someone else's card, registering on site.
Waits for juicy item.
Updates their address information.
Bids & wins.
Uses credit card for payment to bilk seller out of item.
posted on October 16, 2000 10:20:26 PM
As far as CC registrations cutting down on deadbeats ..............
There's a large volume seller on eBay that sells in the Adult area [that area requires a CC to bid] I remember him commenting that shortly after eBay forced the Adult buyers to register with a CC that not only did the overall bids drop, but that the deadbeat numbers remained the same, and for some
sellers, they increased.
He was warning sellers who are Pro CC verification that if eBay was to implement CC verification across the site, that those sellers better be ready for an overall decline in bids.
Not everyone has a CC, and for those that do, not all of them trust eBay with that info on the eBay servers.
Can't say as I blame them, ever read eBay's so called Privacy Policy?
If I was a buyer only, I wouldn't want my CC # on eBay's servers, or Yahoo's, or any of the other online auction sites.
posted on October 16, 2000 10:36:09 PM
It's a touchy issue. I personally don't carry credit cards anymore in the real world. I do have cc, but there are people who don't. How many are bidders, I don't know.
As for the Resale #, I loved the comment! All of the sellers who feel that they are above reporting their ebay income to the IRS, or that they don't need to collect sales tax in a state that requires it, are in for a big surprise. It is my opinion that their days are numbered. The IRS has been watching ebay with great interest for the last 5 years.
Anyone can get a business license to sell over the internet and get a resale number.
I am sooo tired of explaining to bidders why I charge sales tax for my state, and 50 other sellers from my state don't collect sales tax.
posted on October 16, 2000 10:44:03 PM
I borrowed a credit card number (with permission) when I started selling on Ebay. I do not have a credit card, nor am I likely to ever have one. I use the card number to pay a legitimate bill because it is not viable to send checks internationally and delay my use of Ebay whilst running my small business.
That said, I will not use the same card number to register to bid on sites like Yahoo or E-bisney. Not every one has or wants credit cards - not every one with credit cards take responsibility for their actions (therefore it is no garantee that they will or even can pay), and some who don't have credit cards do so so as to not incur debt beyond that for which they budget. I have paid for every lot that I have successfully bid on, on Ebay and the toher sites which allow me to bid without credit cards. An alternative to credit card verification should be given at all such sites, or you really do risk the loss of genuine competition for your goods.
Kathyg, full points for classic thread derailment early on. I am in Australia - um, how do I get a "resellers number"????
posted on October 16, 2000 10:48:27 PM
Reddeer -- great! Glad I'm not alone on this one..It was pretty obvious that when the "first CC kid on the block" came along - ebay and other auctions realized they missed the proberbial boat and the proverbial float!
This is all hogwash that the auctions want to protect us. What they really want is for us to use our cards on their services. After all, once it's there----isn't it just tooo tooo easy to say "oh well what the ----" might as well use it since they got it anyway.
I am watching this whole scenario with great interest....for I know the other shoe will drop eventually and there will be a lot of verrry angry peoples out there!
Having been in the marketing/advertising world for many years know for a fact, that the big company's "name of the game" is get the $$$$ and they don't give a fruit loop about the buyer or the seller's privacy or comfort level. That is why they hire only (1) person for the complaint dept. LOL LOL
posted on October 16, 2000 11:14:27 PMAnyone can get a business license to sell over the internet and get a resale number.
Yes, if you live in the USA, but many sellers like myself choose not to.
BTW - I am a registered business in Canada, but I doubt my biz/GST # would mean much to the fine folks at eBay who can't even verify non U.S. users.
posted on October 17, 2000 06:24:50 AM
I am a regular business and collect sales tax and pay my income tax but I seriously considered not accepting retail sales in my own state because it would simplify my paperwork. I really don't sell that much locally and a lot of it is for resale or manufacturing process so it is not taxable.
If I had decided to forego the license that would not have been any business of eBay.
posted on October 17, 2000 06:54:52 AM
REGARDNG Buyers having to have a CC on file - I personally like the idea, BUT they have already instituted this on YAHOO, and there are lots of sellers screaming about losing business over on the YAHOO board.
After a month of buyers on Yahoo being required to have a CC before bidding, what I have found is more business, higher end buyers, faster sales, and almost no deadbeats.
SO, I for one would be for it all over eBay, but that is my opinion.
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I don't think you will see eBay requiring Sellers to have a STATE RESALE NUMBER, I would think if they required that they'd lose most of their sellers.
BUT, again, it would be fine with me.
CLEAN UP the Auction Market - Require Credit Cards and RESALE TAX Numbers!
posted on October 17, 2000 07:02:31 AM
mrpotatoheadd
You comment of "might as well go to the mall," if sellers were required to have a RESALE TAX NUMBER -
That just isn't true - even though I live in a VERY rural area, I know people who do nothing but go to yard sales and auctions to buy items to sell on eBay and other on line auctions - and they do this as their full time business.
Just had a friend make a 2 week trip up North and brought back a whole trailer load of items for on line auctions.
Personally, we are direct importers of antiques from England and Europe.
So all this is to say - requiring a resale tax number doesn't mean all sellers would only be handling "new" items.
posted on October 17, 2000 07:08:51 AM
mcjane: You have to register with your state that you are reselling items. They give you a license with a tax ID# on it. If you are selling retail you have to collect sales tax in your state. You do not have to pay sales tax when you buy wholesale, or collect tax if you sell wholesale.
I got a tax ID# as soon as I decided that I would sell on auctions. I figure if I didn't have one sooner or later this was going to turn around a bit me on whatsits.
Because I haven't sold to anyone in my state yet I figure that I am opening myself up to a audit when I file my returns showing no tax.
Since I've been audited by the IRS twice now I am getting use to it. BTW, everything that you have heard about the IRS is TRUE!
posted on October 17, 2000 09:01:34 AM
My bids on Yahoo have been great since the CC verification. The biggest downfall I can tell is all the deadbeats must be moving to eBay now. I am having record amounts of deadbeats on eBay since Yahoo started the plan. People that give their CC# on file, are serious bidders. I think honestly that if eBay required a CC# for bidders it would save sellers major time that is wasted on deadbeats. Time to me is worth money, and waiting 10 days to collect a FVF is just crazy. And as far as eBay wanting to be the #1 auction, sorry folks Yahoo will be #1 within 2 years or less.
posted on October 17, 2000 09:52:59 AM
The following rules regarding buying on the Disney-eBay site can be found on the home page.
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"How is buying at Disney Auctions different from buying at eBay?
1.Disney items must be purchased with a credit card, so you'll need to have a credit card on file before you bid.
2.All items at Disney Auctions are being sold direct from the Walt Disney Company.
3.When you win an auction, you will be emailed an 800 number to call to conclude your transaction with the Walt Disney Company."
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The following condition was found by following a link at the bottom of an item listing on the Disney site. Conditions of sale.
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"3.PAYMENT. The Buyer shall immediately pay the full purchase price of the Item, including any applicable shipping and insurance fees by: credit card, cashier’s check, money order, or personal check with approved credit. Payment will not be deemed to have been made and shipment will not be initiated until Disney has collected good funds."
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I was unable to find any information regarding how the personal checks are "approved" but it would seem that the statement in rule number 1, "Disney items must be purchased with a credit card" is not entirely in sync with the statement in the item discription link, which states that buyers may pay with a personal check.
So, which is it? Are personal checks acceptable on approval (whatever that is) OR is it truly credit card only?
