posted on January 12, 2001 10:38:23 AM new
I'm not so sure. I read that so far there is only *one* Republican Senator who could defect, and that's Arlen Spector as he's pro-choice (and even then, he hasn't yet said how he'll vote). All the other pro-choice Republican senators (yes, there are some) have already said they will support him. In addition, about 20 Democrat Senators have said they will support him. If not even one Republican votes against him, he's in.
posted on January 12, 2001 10:49:04 AM new
I wouldn't place any bets either way - but I think once all this guys nutty positions are aired in the hearings, support will change dramactically.
posted on January 12, 2001 10:54:20 AM new
But..but...Ashcroft was annoited by his father with Crisco oil. He must be the one! He'll slip right through the hearings!!!
posted on January 12, 2001 10:56:18 AM new
Yeah they know him- but once this stuff goes under the public spot light, they have to defend supporting Ashcroft to the voting public.
It is one thing to know a fellow Senator, it is another to publicly put your imprimatur on his record and place him in the cabinet. I forget his name, but a fellow senator was up for Sec of defence- all his fellow senators knew he drank when he was a sen; but that deep sixed him for a cabinet position once it became public.
The more that comes out in the hearings, the less they will be able to support him.
posted on January 12, 2001 11:42:08 AM new
The guy is whacked. Everywhere he goes he tries to cram his beliefs onto people. No doubt AW will be censored from existence. LOL!
posted on January 12, 2001 12:06:19 PM new
Well, krs, if Ashcroft follows the demonstrative teachings of some of the most notable leaders of his religious ilk, Baker et al, his reserve of Crisco oil is indeed multi-purpose.
posted on January 12, 2001 01:11:58 PM new
I am intolerant only against the intolerant !
When I hear these born again nuts complain how christians are being discriminated against, that is my refrain.
Christianity is a pessimistic and bigoted religion [ this includes nearly all religions lest not to just pick on one ], and those who espouse it the loudest, are the most ignorant of their own faith.
It costs the innocent by standers dearly too. I know of at least 3 companies that refused to even consider locating to Kansas and Moussouri due to public school evolution contraversy and crazy abortion laws they tried to enact. Why do you think the inovators and market makers are in the most liberal states ? Why do they refer to these regions as the "fly over" regions ? They are all going to learn the hard way as companies continue to leave these regions.
posted on January 12, 2001 05:01:59 PM new"Render unto Ceasar that which is Ceasar's, and render unto God that which is God's."
The law in this country is that abortion is legal. (This falls under rendering to Ceasar.) Any problem with the taking of the unborn life is between the woman and her own God. (This falls under rendering to God.)
As for the lovely little pro-life propaganda about the partial-birth abortions - perhaps one should read the medical sites as opposed to the right to life (or the right to choose, for that matter) sites to get the facts on how often and in what circumstances they are done.
This brow beating Bible thumping is what gives Christianity a bad name. It is also why I choose to worship God in my own home, rather than in a house of "worship" that really only exists to line the coffers. My tithe does not go to pay the salary for a pastor who is complaining about his monthly pay, but to a local food bank and a battered women's shelter one town over.
God, in His infinite wisdom, gave us free will. To seek to witness is part of that free will, indeed. But the best witness is the one who leads by example in his own life by loving everyone equally, forgiving completely, living peaceably, and with a glad heart shares his knowledge and love of God when someone says to him "you always seem to be so at peace with yourself - what's your secret?"
Cramming it down people's throats tends to bring out the gag reflex in most.
posted on January 13, 2001 12:08:17 PM new
Well now. It turns out that there's more to the Ashcroft vendetta against the judgeship of Ronnie White than republicans would have you believe. It seems that the two had clashed nine years ago, and Ashcroft got him back in a display of revenge.
posted on January 13, 2001 06:26:33 PM new
Kris,
you are lucky...Askcroft feels safer in the Bible Belt.
I live near Washington D.C. and I understand that for the inaguration, every D.C. police officer
will be there in addition to help from the Maryland and Virginia
police Department.
posted on January 17, 2001 12:51:27 PM new
I have been away for a few days, so have not been able to keep up here. But, here it goes:
reamond: His nutty positions are that he prefers to govern by the constitutionas it was meant, not as the liberals would like it to be read. He supports life, liberty and the constitution, but since he is religious (as was Lieberman, remember him?), his views are wrong. Teddy boy Kennedy questioning Ashcroft was enough to make me gag: a man who murdered a woman, allowing her to die in an icy river while he walked to the hotel?! OUTRAGEOUS! Intolerant of the intolerant, huh. Then you must be intolerable yourself, for you are intolerent of religious views. But, since it is ok for Christians to be discrimminated against, and mayhap not homosexuals, or abortionists (which is what this whole topic was about, remember), or maybe even pedefiles (I know, I spelt it wrong, krs can fix it), then it is wrong. But Christians are just fine to discriminate against, right?
Antiquary: Talkin' Crisco, how 'bout Slick Willie? He's got more Crisco on him then the Olive Garden has free refills on pasta night.
maddienicks: Cannot be between "a woman and har own God", for the Lord of the bible prohibits this action. As for the verse you quote, it is quite true: however, who says that we cannot change what is rendered to Caeser? We have that type of oppertunity in this country, unlike the first century Christians. I have never "crammed", as you so put it, I only "witness" in this forum of how my faith is. BTW, less then 3% of abortions are for reasons of incest, rape, or the mothers life is truely in trouble and could be lost do to childbirth. Also, btw, if we are "brow beating and bible thumping", then we truely are forfilling the Lords work, in spreading the gosple first to the Jew, then the Gentile, through out the whole earth, so that all may come to know Him as Lord of all.
This thread was initally about abortion, not necessarly about religion. However, both will always be intermingled.
In the begining, God created the heavens and the earth.
posted on January 17, 2001 01:50:34 PM newCannot be between "a woman and har own God", for the Lord of the bible prohibits this action. That is YOUR bible, ddicffe. There is a reason why this country was built upon the foundation of separation of church and state. Those American citizens who do not subscribe to the tenets or interpretations of YOUR faith are protected by constitutional law from having religious beliefs such as yours determine their personal rights as they pertain to their own lives and bodies. The right of a woman to determine her own personal choice with regard to her own body (abortion) is a constitutional right as determined by the highest Court. It has been affirmed over and over again. Quoting verses your bible will not change that because the laws of our country are not based upon pseudo-religious interpretations, but upon our Constitution, and rightly so.
I have been watching the Ashcroft hearings off and on. Teddy was in rare form yesterday, reminiscent of the old legendary Kennedy scrappiness. It did my heart good to see it, even though the tremor in his hands was noticeable. Sen. Biden gets a C- for his lukewarm questioning. Maria Cantwell, the new senator from Washington, impressed me quite a bit. No collegial fawning, just the facts. She gets an A+.
KatyD
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[ edited by KatyD on Jan 17, 2001 01:53 PM ]
posted on January 17, 2001 04:31:09 PM new
chocolate,
Please don't blame me for not keeping Ashcroft and voting for a dead man to get "rid" of him.
Maybe it's because he is from "Missourah and I am from Missouri"?
I had a long comment on this subject of those that think choice means I am in favor of abortion instead of my believing that choice means I will not interfere with another woman's choice to have or not to have. I respect both positions.
posted on January 17, 2001 04:39:52 PM new
KatyD:
As I feel no need to yell, I will just ask you to look to our founding fathers letters and writings, and determine which scripture they founded this country upon.
Edited to add that if you read maddi's post, you would see that she used the bible that I use.
plsmith: Yes, He must be fond of me, as He no doubt is of you, for we are all created in His image: and at least I understand that I am not perfict, just forgiven. Knowing that leads me to believe that since His Son died for me at Calgary, then He loves me very much.
krs: Before you get off on one of your mundane tangents about works, it is not of works I boast of. However, since this topic was about abortion, and I have a Christian viewpoint, I am allowed to state it here, as you are allowed to state otherwise. So, no I am not thumping, I am stating my own fact, as you consistantly state yours. And yes, spelling has been, or never will be, one of my strong points. (I can never make them faces).
In the begining, God created the heavens and the earth.
[ edited by ddicffe on Jan 17, 2001 04:42 PM ]
