posted on December 28, 2000 09:02:16 PM new
Oh yeah. Murderers like that retarded guy they killed in Texas. What was his name? I felt bad that they fried him.
posted on December 28, 2000 09:11:08 PM new
Good thing it is my fingers and not really my breath then, no? I would be blue by now!A lot of hatred in the world these days. Must be that CC stuff. You know - compassionate conservatism. I can feel the love!
posted on December 28, 2000 09:11:25 PM new
Sorry hon, you know nothing about me, I don't hate anyone. What I hate is what this society has become. No one is responsible for their actions anymore and the grand ole US has gone to sh*t. If thinking that murderers should suffer for their crimes, just as their victims did is "hate", then so be it.
That "poor retarded" person you mentioned, why aren't you worried about the family of the murdered victim, where is your compassion for them?
posted on December 28, 2000 09:14:22 PM new
OOOOOHhhhh Katy! You got called "HON" Don't you just hate it when people you don't know call you "Hon"? I'll "Ugh" for you.
posted on December 28, 2000 09:24:21 PM new
Snowydays, I do have compassion for the families of murder victims and ordinarily I agree that true evil murderers [Manson for instance]should be put to death. I do not feel that children or retarded people fall into that catagory. An eye for an eye is not always the best way and not aways what a family wants. Many families fight against the death penalty and would rather see a muderer in prison for the remainder of their life. Not all people are blood thirsty. Some can forgive and let God handle it in due time.
Try to keep in mind that not all people think alike on any topic.I do respect your right to your opinion, please respect my right to have mine. I also love to debate[when my keyboard lets me that is]
posted on December 28, 2000 09:33:30 PM new
Yes, I do realize that, but dammit, I am right (my first attempt at a smiley so I hope it works, I am only, sort of, kidding so be nice)
I have a real problem with people who believe that it is just fine to murder an innocent baby, but God forbid, someone want a worthless murderer executed. I was going to quote the "eye for an eye" quite some time back, but thought it best not to say it. I am actually a very friendly person, I love people in general. My neck of the woods is 90% Republican so I am not used to opposition. I am just sick to death of the Bush bashing and conspiracy theories, everything possible that can be blamed on the man has been, it is getting a mite ridiculous.
dang smiley won't work
[ edited by snowydays on Dec 28, 2000 09:34 PM ]
posted on December 28, 2000 09:34:41 PM newI believe that a Great Wall of America should be built around the ghettos. Take out the good people and let the gangs shoot at each other until they are all dead,
Okay, I sat on my hands for a few minutes, but I've decided that I'm NOT going to let that one go by. It sounds to much to me like the Final Solution.Hitler had the same idea, and in fact implemented it in Warsaw during WWII. Sick, SICK!
posted on December 28, 2000 09:41:24 PM new
Katy, Are there finger imprints on your derrire'? [probably spelled THAT wrong too!]
Snowydays, It is really too bad that you are not used to opposing views.That is the thing that makes us think and makes us learn. I like to be confronted wth new ideas, you realy don't?
Forgot to congratulate snowydays on getting that smilie in there! [nope you are not always right,right,right!]
posted on December 28, 2000 09:45:01 PM new
Get real KatyD. What is good about gang members that have no other wish in life other than to kill someone else who is wearing the wrong colors. Excuse me, they are SO much more important than babies, aren't they? Sorry, but that is "sick, sick" to me. I revise my previous statement, I hate Hitler and everything he stood for and for you to suggest that my opinion even remotely resembles his ideas is disgusting. That is the problem with the Liberals. They let people get away with anything, and they should be felt sorry for instead of punished for their crimes. Why don't you get a life instead of making wild accusations about one statement I have made?
Rawbunzel, sure new ideas are fine, they just won't change my mind.
[ edited by snowydays on Dec 28, 2000 09:46 PM ]
posted on December 28, 2000 09:51:08 PM new
Now ,snowydays, that is interesting. So - what you are saying is that only old ideas work for you? That does explain quite a lot. I am truly suprised that ,feeling as you do,you even like to be on the internet. After all it is a pretty new idea and it is full of people with ideas of their own.Many of them new to you. Interesting.
posted on December 28, 2000 09:51:46 PM new
Robin, it's derriere. Yeah, the red marks are fading. You and Barry can call me "Hon", but I prefer "Sweetums". Now, I'm going to read my beautiful daughter a book in hopes that the Sandman will pay her a visit soon. Tonight's selection is titled "If You Give A Pig A Pancake". Hmm... Good night!
posted on December 28, 2000 09:54:55 PM new
Let me revise that, I have very firm political beliefs and my mind won't be changed on any of that. I am young, but that new fangled internet and computers, aren't they cool? I grew up on computers and the internet. I did not say old ideas worked for me. Just like nothing I say here will change your mind on your political beliefs, nothing you say will change mine.
posted on December 28, 2000 10:00:36 PM new
Snowydays, I really don't expect or even want to change anyones mind.I do like to talk about this stuff and get different opinions even if I don't agree I like to hear them. When I was younger I thought about things much differently than I do today,try to keep an open mind is all I think.
posted on December 28, 2000 10:07:54 PM new
Events I was rather close to this evening may serve to show that snowydays wish may already be a reality, at least in part.
Six people were shot to death inside an abandoned house and another three were critically wounded. The shooter(s) fled and have yet to be apprehended. The dwelling was probably a "crack house" as there was a great deal of drug paraphernalia in evidence throughout the building. The house was in an area that many would describe as a ghetto.
While hearing of the incident I was struck by the similarities to recent events in New England. The motive for the crimes and social standing of the victims were different, of course, but the level of violence and horror were surely similar.
I couldn't help but wonder if the incident would become world news just like the recent tragedy in Massachusetts. I suspect it will not.
I know that there are good people living in what some may call ghettos (the residents often call them their neighborhoods, BTW). I really think that many of them believe the great wall is already there.
posted on December 28, 2000 10:12:38 PM newKRS, honest to God, I didn't know about the Washington Post article when I posted the Dubya looked kind of like an animatronic creation and devoid of AI. The first two pictures ARE different, the folds in his neck are markedly different.
As to the death penalty and religious conversions, conversion may resolve issues between G-d and man but they DO NOT resolve issues between that individual and the society he lives in. Actions have consequences, even if the perpetrator later has great remorse for them.
What should more vigorously pursued is making absolutely certain that an individual is guilty way beyond "reasonable doubt" before bestowing the death penalty. This afternoon's news on NPR included interviews of two Oklahoma men who had been convicted of murder based on forensic examination of hair. One was sentenced to death, the other to life. This was in the mid-80s and that type of evidence was considered "pretty good" and admissable but in actuality had a 50% accuracy rate. Then two years ago, the prosecuting attorney for the case wanted the hair strands to be scrutinized by DNA analysis to, in his words, "put the last nail in the coffin". Instead it verified what both men had said all along--they were innocent. Both men were released after 12 years in prison.
posted on December 28, 2000 10:57:09 PM new
lswanson - And I bet that arrogant SOB DA didn't even apologize. In fact I bet he is trying to say DNA shouldn't overrule his evidence at Trial. That's my problem with the death penalty TOO ARBRITARY. Another problem that I have is prosecutors are allowed to build political careers based on winning death penalty cases.
But my final problem with it is. With the exception of Timothy McVeigh, is there anyone on deathrow in any State that had a defense equal to the extent of the prosecution. Look at the people especially in Texas on deathrow entirely on circumstancial evidence. I am sorry if you have nothing concrete you don't have enough to sentence a person to death. And what really gets me is where do they find 12 people who can rule on the death penalty based totally on circumstancial evidence. That makes me think that death penalty juries have their minds made up before the case is heard.
posted on December 29, 2000 03:25:48 AM new
Yes I blame Bush. Policy comes from the top down. Texas executes people as a matter of political process. The jury is a means to spread the blame among the whole community. The jury does not decide to meet - they are an instrument of the state - one some lawyers can get to play almost any tune.
The ability to pardon is placed there because it was recognized there were times it would be needed. If you believe as Bush has stated that 100% of the people convicted are guilty you are a fool. To refuse to ever use the pardon is to reject the wisdom of all the
people who saw the need for that exceptional power to be retained.
There is no way to ever correct your mistake once you have executed an innocent person.
The death penalty should never be applied on the basis of a process of deduction and logic because that is subject to error from false data and missing information. You should only accept guilt verified by multiple disinterested witnesses who actually saw the crime. Even the proverbial smoking gun in hand is no proof the person holding it is the one who shot the victem. Maybe he picked it up to chase after the killer who dropped it. Or perhaps he is just stupid. People are killed by the state for having the wrong fiber on their jacket or for looking similar to someone.
[ edited by gravid on Dec 29, 2000 03:46 AM ]
