posted on December 21, 2000 09:13:00 PM newjamesoblivion - This is getting interesting, before I reply to you in my usual point for point format. I want you to accept that I don't beleive Jesse Jackson is anti-semetic. And nothing you have posted has convinced me of that.
Last time I checked Sudan was located in East Africa. So I expect like the rest of the continent the people are 89% black. So Jesse Jackson whether you accept it or not is an Unofficial Goodwill Ambassador of the United States. So his going there is to seek some accord to remedy what you posted about. And I don't see the State Department or United Nations issuing sanctions. But wait a minute that might cause OIL PRICES to soar. The western world can't have that. So Jesse you don't mind going overthere and remind those radicals that all we have to do is allow Iraq to sell 100 million or so Barrels of crude and that will free up enough time to properly focus on them. Also if I read briefing reports correctly we did blow up a supposed Chemical Weapons factory that Sudan told the World was a Baby Milk Factory. Dropping bombs on Africa might enflame Blacks in America so again Jesse go check it out and deliver the above message while you are there.
I don't care about mainstream Muslim Groups I am not a follower of Islam. Therefore their acceptance or denial of Black Muslims in America is of no consequence to me. Besides although the Black Islam movement takes root in the teaching of Elijah Mohammand. Black Muslims in America don't view him as a prophet only the giver of the light of Islam to an Oppressed people in America. Strange though seems Jews and Muslims both share a disdain for their Black brethern.
I sense some of your upset at Jesse comes from a perceived fear that he might come to play a part in the current peace accords. I sense you don't support those accords because of your statement about Peres. I suspect that you view the peace accords as capitulation on Israels part. Nothing wrong with that but the Palestinians aren't just going away. So something to prevent all out war has to be done.
Nothing damming to me meeting with those bad guys especially since it is done as a Goodwill Ambassador. Heck I bet those American Servicemen and their families are glad we keep Jesse around to negotiate deals like that. I bet Elians American relatives wished they would have given Jesse a chance. Elian might still be here, but then you would have Castro to add to your list of bad guys. Who else is America going to get to go talk to him if Elian was still here. Certainly not Marisol Gonzales..lol...lol
See jamesoblivion you have to understand America as a Super Power has to have a Foriegn Policy. Sometimes world affairs and US interest abroad dictate that somebody will be on the wrong end of an Alliance. So having a recognized Goodwill Ambassador capable of talking to these guys helps military commanders not have to write those, I regret to inform you letters. Trust me a part of the job that I thank God that I have never had to do.
Now you have touched upon a part of the larger problem that our discussion has grown too. I also noticed that you ignored my discussion on the end anti-semetic practices campaigns of jews and the end racism campaigns of blacks. Each have their own seperate agendas. However your campaign places a greater strain on the resources of America because of the Israel as an ally thingie. But that's not important because both are important issues. However here is an undenyable fact for you. Everyone who is racist isn't anti-semetic. But everyone who is anti-semetic happens to also be racist. Notable exception those political views of those two mainstream muslim groups you mentioned. But then again if they won't accept Black Muslims in America, there must be some other creditble reason. But since they aren't here to inject the reason into the discussion we'll leave them out.
Now your continued flying to Dr. King. Sure anti-semitism and racism are equally evil passions of some people. One as you said is no worse than the other. I agree But the continued injection of radical fears to a change in US foreign policy isn't what I call a good reason to inject that a man who has done a world of good towards maintaining and promoting peace not only among the races here in America, but also serves as a means to come to the table of peace to those who the current foreign policy have labeled grounded from dinner. Is not a reason to label a person anti-semetic. You continue to expound on an alledged statement from I think we have tacked down to 21 years ago. A statement probably made when an influential Black American and statesman stepped down from the United Nations amist probable pressure from Israel. As your proof see he's anti-semetic. Sorry I don't buy it. I put that statement in a metaphorical light that may or may not be accurate to Jesse's sentiments If he even said it. But trust me in 1979, I was 12 years old and everybody wanted to be the next Andrew Young. So you can bet if his leaving the UN was anything but personal choice Black leaders would be ticked at whatever or whoever was the real reason.
But since we haven't found the exact context it was said in or verified if it was even said I still don't see it as anti-semetisim. Surely given a spin it could be viewed as anti-semetic. And sure given another spin it could mean any number of things.
As I have shown another possible metaphorical spin. And if I might add a rather good one. Too bad james you are so passioned to the anti-semetic spin. Now jamesoblivion nothing posted by me in this thread period should have given you the impression that I was buying the anti-semetic twist. I know there are radical Jewish Groups set on thwarting the peace process. I also know there are radical Palestinian Groups set on the same. I know those same groups Both Sides fear the change to a Republican President might signal a major change in US Foreign Policy. Heck I wouldn't be surprised if next someone comes up with a perceived anti-semetic statement from General Colin Powell.
stusi- The quote hasn't even been proven to come from Jesse Jackson. In fact the quote could have come from anything, heck it could have been the topic of a sermon that has nothing to do with jews, it could have been said to a group of Jews THAT AREN'T PART OF THE ZIONIST MOVEMENT. I hope you and James both are aware that not all Jews are into the homeland thing. On my Jewish Charitible Endeavors trust me as long as this years donation check clears they wouldn't care. Why because they know I am not anti-semetic. In fact they also know that I felt Nathan Hale should have been allowed to receive his law license in Illinois. Heck racists deserve equal protection under the law too. Sorry but those principles of the constitution just got to stand first in America. By the way homogenous steel is the stuff tanks are made of. Smile you are on networker67 cam
codasaurus - I think the above should help you form the conclusion I could careless if he said it because one statement in a person's entire life doesn't make'em anti-semetic. Especially when that one statement is then supported with known Goodwill Ambassador trips to meet with people on the opposite side of an Alliance with America. Which are further supported with not denoucing a fellow black leader who happens to be of a religous persuasion that shares the sentiments of everyone else with his religion. Which their sentiments are then explained as political. And Farrakhan is as political as they come.
And since jamesoblivion said it was said why not ask him where he got it from. What's the matter scared it comes from some Right Wing Jewish Group with the agenda of thwarting the peace process web site. Or worse was actually said by someone else.
And the part about the speech writer being fired. You should have known it was a joke because everyone knows Jesse writes that stuff himself. Unlike the President, Mayor, Congressman, Senator who rely on their sentiments be handed to them from a political
party. And if you didn't realize it was a joke shame on you. I've got to learn those similes
But I think you knew it, just up to your old tricks like that selective text posting campaign in the Hitler thread. I wonder how much of this interesting thread will be selectively edited by you to make some sick point about me next month. Thank God my ambitions are limited to the hostile take over of a decent mid-sized American Manufacturing outfit.
Text Below added after reading HJW's Link and codes last post.
Humm goog thing I checked the thread before posting saves editing. Why not stick to the issue of the topic. Or is the topic beyond your range of expertise. If so the bleachers are to your left.
xardon - Tactful retreat heck jamesoblivion might actually say where it came from and when it was alledgedly said. Besides I think jamesoblivion has realized by now that I don't think Jesse Jackson is anti-semetic. And I actually find it insulting that he uses Jesse's known Goodwill Ambassador trips to support it. Then thinks not condeming Farrakhan proves it. Heck the NAACP hasn't condemmed Farrakhan and I don't see them being labeled anti-semetic. And I have an extensive list of groups that haven't publically condemmed Louis Farrakhan. Infact I find it insulting that anyone would expect me to be upset at Jesse Jackson over words. Let's all do try to remember that Jesse is as Rhetorical as they come. Some of it sounds good, some of it well let's just say Jesse should pick his battles a little better.
added after reading HJW's link
HJW Humm the JDL, the most Right Wing of them all. Humm, sounds like can we say confusion of his views on American Foreign Policy in the Middle East as it relates to Israel. Nothing anti-semetic there IMHO a lot of Americans are upset that Israel gets so much of the Foreign Policy pie and resources. I guess if you question America's giving Israel such a large slice of the Foriegn Policy Pie you are labeled Anti-Semetic. I wonder what they view Reagan as, he shifted the entire focus to ending the Cold War. And I bet they love Bush flat out telling them take the Patroit Missiles and stay out of the Gulf War. Because for those of you unaware when they threatened their own Air Strikes Bush told them we'll deploy some missiles to defend you. But if you attempt your own Air Strikes, we'll have to instruct our pilots to shoot you down. Can't have those Middle East issues messing up alliances to fight Saddam Hussein. I bet that decision made Bush anti-semetic of the year in 1991.
Thanks for HJW for the link to wrapping this up.
James added this after reading HJW's new link before posting.
jamesoblivion - Jesse Jacksons concerns over America giving Israel such a large peice of the Foreign Policy pie is no more anti-semetic than America actually reducing the slice. I bet if the shift goes to say Taiwan. Jews will say Colin Powell is anti-semetic, after all he is the new Secretary of State.
Before posting read HJW's and Code's additions added my comments to the additions where noted to avoid posting again. Its Christmas and time to deal with the Family. Happy Holidays Everyone.......
posted on December 21, 2000 09:27:50 PM new
Quote A: See how easy it is form a conclusion based on not understanding. Being Jewish you assumed that Jesse was talking about zionism as jews perceive it. When in fact he was speaking of zionism as blacks inappropriately use it. I regret the inappropriate use of your word but heck somebody I will assume thought it sounded good. Needless to say that particular speech writer was fired.
Quote B: And the part about the speech writer being fired. You should have known it was a joke because everyone knows Jesse writes that stuff himself.
You've changed your story several times in this thread.
posted on December 21, 2000 09:42:52 PM new
<snip>
Sometimes its better to just let sleeping dogs lie.
[ edited by jamesoblivion on Dec 21, 2000 09:45 PM ]
posted on December 21, 2000 09:54:26 PM new
Oh, I don't know.
He's certainly right about Jackson as a goodwill ambassador to Cuba. Heck, he even went to Cuba, and standing arm in arm with Fidel Castro chanted "Long live Fidel Castro, long live Che Guevara."
posted on December 21, 2000 09:59:47 PM new
He neglects to mention that no one sends him on these ass-kissing missions to the murderers. S'funny, some opportunists like to hobnob with the stars, Jesse likes to hobnob with thugs.
posted on December 21, 2000 10:49:04 PM new
By the same token Ultra-Right Wing Jewish Political groups saying a person is anti-semetic based on a picture with Arafat. And a statement that they say was made but they can't tell you when it was supposedly said.
I'll pull it from the link from HJW.
[quote from link]
said that "If he (Jackson) should cling to his view about Jewish interests that have angered our community in the past-and do it in front of the inevitable TV cameras that will broadcast his words to millions-then a confrontation is unavoidable." Mr. Bookbinder went on to quote Rev. Jackson as having said in the past that Zionism is a "poisonous weed that's choking the flower of Judaism" and that the resignation of U.N. Ambassador Andrew Young in 1979 was a "capitulation to Jewish pressures."[/quote]
I find it strange that your Right Wing Groups can tell us exactly when the capitulation quote was made. But for some strange reason the quote that empassions you so much has no time reference.
When you couple that with your attempt to slander the Goodwill Missions. Your labeling Shimon Peres as a back stabber to his people. Reveals to me that those Ultra Right Wing Groups fear the New Adminsitration. It sounds even more to me that these same groups will soon label General Colin Powell as anti-semetic.
I haven't changed my story one bit and if you really want to know. I know when the Zionism statement was made. Where it was made and the context it was made in. Trust me James if people like the O'Reily factor had something that juicy on Jesse they would have spilled the beans eons ago. The reason your Right Wing Groups won't tell you guys when it was said and what it referred too. Is because they would rather enrage with just the words.
Now since Jesse doesn't use speech writers no one could be fired. That was humor on my part. The suing part should have affirmed that seeing that such a lawsuit would make that mainstream media you guys love to read.
Now do you want to continue the Right Wing Jewish Rhetoric. Or can we just say you think he is anti-semetic, I think he isn't.
"Or are you going to say that Jesse ran in 1984 to make sure Reagan won re-election. Which will then take you to 2000 where you will say his comments about Lieberman was to remind people in America that with Gore as President America will have a Non-Christian very close to power.
See jamesoblivion I know the spin of those Right Wing Jewish groups. In fact they copy many of their methods from Hitler himself. So I guess its okay to use Nazi tactics as long as Jews use them.
Heck here's the spin they will put on General Colin Powell.
"He intentionally ended the Gulf War quickly to leave Iraq able to threaten Israel."
If that one doesn't work. They'll say
"His friendship with Rev. Jackson is of vital concern to Jewish Groups in America, seeing that Jackson has expressed his anti-semetic views on numerous occasions."
Yep we had a great discussion all for it to be centered around Ultra Right Wing Jewish Rhetoric over a man's view about excessive resources being diverted to Israel. And you expect me to be upset because groups who openly stand against the current Middle East Peace Accords say so. I think not,,, Those sites are to convince Jews not Blacks. We stand by our people period. Besides if we don't stick together who's going to help us...Clarence Thomas. I think not.
I bet you are mad at HJW for that link. All this time I thought you had serious concerns about Jesse. Only to discover that they are founded in Known Ultra Right Wing JEWISH Rhetoric. Talk about honesty, why didn't you just say you had concerns that an African American Secretary of State might use Jesse Jackson to soothe the Palestinians during the Peace Accords.
Powell is a military man. That shouldn't even be a fear. He like me puts the interest of Country first even when he doesn't like it.
posted on December 21, 2000 10:56:53 PM newI know when the Zionism statement was made. Where it was made and the context it was made in.
See if you can keep your story straight.
I suppose you archive his every utterance? You must have been some 12-year old!
Talk about honesty, why didn't you just say you had concerns that an African American Secretary of State might use Jesse Jackson to soothe the Palestinians during the Peace Accords.
What the f.uck are you blathering about?
[ edited by jamesoblivion on Dec 21, 2000 10:59 PM ]
posted on December 21, 2000 11:11:35 PM new
Ummm James, you do know that its a complete waste of time to debate with a fanatic? The only result will be an elevated blood pressure.
posted on December 22, 2000 01:30:40 AM new
wow jameoblivion upset that your trying to convince me Jesse Jackson is anti-semetic was revealed as Ultra Right Wing Jewish Rhetoric. Or are you upset that I once discovering where your rhetoric stems from just flat out called it what it was.
Guess what my first guess was right. And my metaphorical interpretation was also right. Ironic though the sermon was given at the Church of Former Congressman Gus Savage. I guess that's where those Jewish Radicals grabbed the anti-semetic interpretation from. As you probably know Gus was a little on the cutting edge.
The blathering as you called it was a comment about your rather lame attempt to use Ultra Right Wing Jewish rhetoric to label Jesse Jackson as anti-semetic.
stockticker - wow that name calling seems to be a virtue with you. Where's Pat Taylor when you need him. I know reply with a return insult and he's sure to come out of hiding.
posted on December 22, 2000 01:45:06 AM new
networker,
You've flopped around like a fish throughout your time here, and it seems now that you don't remember what you've said. James is quite correct when he points out a few of your inconsistencies, and if you were worth my time I'd have joined him on other points.
If you are truly a military person, which some of your statements have placed in doubt, you would have or should have at least the sense to follow xardon's advice.
posted on December 22, 2000 02:31:49 AM new
krs - either one of us can't read or one of us has been sniffing rifle coating. Every point of that Right Wing Jewish venom was addressed point for point. No inconsistencies with no one except the fact that jamesoblivion forgot to mention he got his information from ULTRA RIGHT WING JEWISH groups notorious for their agenda of bashing anything takes focus away from Israel in Washington.
I actually thought he sincerely thought Jesse was anti-semetic. I actually thought he was interested in exploring the facts.
But let's see equating the Goodwill Ambassador missions with being friends with known thugs. Sounds like he bought too much of that rhetoric to me.
Justifying Arab/Islamic dislike of Jews as political. Then conveinently forgeting that Farrakhan happens to also be Islamic and very political. Humm sounds like its okay for lighter muslims to hate jews over politics. Let a darker one do it and its anti-semetic. Heck if I were james I would be concerned that the lighter ones with the political hatred have guns. The darker ones with the same views as the lighterones only use words. But I guess when the agenda is keeping America's focus and finances on Israel. The words hurt more they might take away dollars.
Earlier in the thread he posted a major inconsistency that he tried to link to Jesse but actually came from the head of the Dallas NAACP. You know the comments about Gore's selection of Lieberman. Jesse didn't make those. I just let it slide because at that point of the thread I thought he was sincere in his feelings not spreading the Rhetoric of The Jewish Anti-Peace Middle East Peace Right Wing in America.
Strange how he ignored the discussion on the equal agenda of Blacks and Jews as they relate to attention to their respective causes and Government funding/attention to the same.
All of the so called anti-semetic statements were made before 1980. The main one he harped one was from a sermon given at the Church of Gus Savage. Known racist and pro PLO Congressman from Illinois And his friends in the right wing took the liberty of switching things around to fit their agenda. Seems that Jewish Right Wing gets a little testy when attention to the excess funds to Israel hit national attention.
See the good part about point for point replies is they address each issue as presented. That way skip readers of a thread get checked when they play those lets toy with the issue games. Like you just did above. Seems he got upset when it got revealed that everything he was harping on came from the known Radical Jewish Right Wing. Or was it the fact that I couldn't be convinced by it. hummmm things that make you wonder why bother.
By the way what makes you question my 16 years and counting military career.
[ edited by networker67 on Dec 22, 2000 02:37 AM ]
posted on December 22, 2000 05:53:39 AM new
Networker's remark..."Or is the topic beyond your range of expertise. If so the bleachers are to your left."
Many of us were not interested in current
events twenty five or thirty years ago when this remark was allegedly made
by Jesse Jackson.
But in my search for the context or target
of this quote, I was overwhelmed with the
radical views of Jesse before his decision to run for president.
It appears to me that his opinion of Jews
changed when it was
politically expedient
posted on December 22, 2000 06:02:11 AM new
net- you are not anti-semitic. you just support those who are. how politically convenient. is there anything jesse could say or do that would cause you to abandon him? i am waiting for you to ask for proof of the holocaust next! you have been a follower since 12 years old and the expression Hymietown was unknown to you until yesterday? you have totally lost your credibility with everyone here. you are now officially a politician, talking out of both sides of your mouth. which office are you going to run for first-rainbow coalition spin doctor?
posted on December 22, 2000 06:20:12 AM new
xardon - try picturing a person sitting behind a large executive desk wearing one of those headphone telephone sets working in an office were the left wall is mostly TV's and the right wall is all books covering most everything.
Then if you will try to remember that the person is also a former active duty officer. So nervous, I think you get nervous at the fact that nothing you guys do rattle me.
Pretend you can't read with clarity and understanding doesn't bother me I just go kindergarten and explain it.
Skip read around a post then reply in a manner that obviously shows you didn't read everything. I just send you back to re-read.
Try to rattle my understanding by inventing inuendo as done by jamesoblivion in this thread. I just call what you doing what it is. As in jamesoblivion case it was the spewing of right wing jewish rhetoric from those groups in New York (and you wonder why Jesse called it what he did) all of his jewish enemies happen to be based there. Strange a person so versed in Jesse Jackson couldn't bother to address the issue of the jewish agenda in Washington. Strange he knows muslims who tell him that Arabs in the middle east hatred of Jews is mostly political. But will call a person who is a muslim who happens to be black in america a anti-semetic. Seems he implied to me that Farrakhan can't be a true muslim. Infact he went as far to say it.
Why can't a black man be a true muslim? Or did he forget that we created Islam in 645 BC or he didn't know that.
Wow I'm the bad guy but a person using lies and innuendo to discredit someone is taking at fact when the facts come from tainted sources. Sort fo like that stuff that krs posts from his geocities site.
posted on December 22, 2000 06:48:20 AM new
One last.
Oh, come off your high horse, Networker. Many Muslims are black; if I am correct, that is the predominant religion in the continent of Africa today.
It is not my problem that the Shi'a and Sunni Muslims worldwide consider Farrkhan's brand of Islam to be heresy. Take it up with an Ayatollah if you don't like it.
Hey, since you are a Christian, why don't you tell us if you consider Mormons to be "real" Christians.
posted on December 22, 2000 06:48:34 AM new
I would like to add my two cents to this discussion of Jesse Jackson. As I recall, the hymie remark was a reference to his ability to deal with Jewish merchants as a equal. This remark fed into two unfortunate stereotypes; that Blacks were dumb and gullible and Jews, shrewd and conniving. The sad fact is that the poison of racism is so insidious and persuasive that few able to completely escape it's effects. I remember the shock of hearing my own son make similar remarks about Asians. I also recall having my head nearly bitten off (and rightly so) over the use of "you people". What is important is that we confront our own failings and try to learn from them. I believe that Jesse Jackson is a great and moral leader in this country. Does he have failings? Yes, and he has in truth apologize for them many times.
Does Jesse feel kinship with Arafat? Not so surprising. Most of the third world feels that as well. One of the consequences of Zionism and the dream of a national homeland for the Jewish people, has been the pain and suffering of the Palestinian people. Since the 1967 war, they have been living as an occupied and oppressed people under Israeli rule. Most of the world views as legitimate their desire for freedom. The PLO resorted to the only military weapon available to them, namely terrorism. That this terrorism with it's targeting of civilians and even children has been especially brutal and loathsome is true. The Israeli government has also with it's response has also been brutal and at times quite excessive. Fortunately both Rabin and Arafat finally realized this and tried to make peace. I pray the day will come when this dream will be a reality.
Jessie Jackson is reluctant to criticize other Black leaders. I personally know of many Jews who are equally reluctant to criticize Israel for similar reasons. It's a kind of there are so many enemies out there we can't afford to attack each other even when we strongly disagree. I personally think that it's a mistake. As a Jew, I have always felt it's my duty to speak out against Israeli policies that I believe are morally wrong. As an American, I opposed the Vietnam War for similar reasons. I believe that as a great Black leader as well as an American moral figure, Jesse has an obligation to do the same with Farrakhan and others that spread the poisons of anti-Semitism and race hatred.
posted on December 22, 2000 07:26:05 AM new
Networker,
I would never consider you unintelligent. You try to prove that in every statement you make. You do have a way with words.
The person I would question is one that feels he/she needs to keep reminding everyone else that "the average person" on AW or anywhere else could not possibly understand anything he/she would have to say or be able to grasp what that person is saying.
You see, it is not the intelligence that is in question. It is the snobbish attitude that only that person uses that lessens his/her intelligence and that is not pretty. One should never play the race card which I have never done because until today I had no idea what your color or anyone else's was on this board and matters not a whit. A slur against intelligence to anyone is still a slur no matter how it is equated.
This of course, is MHO and what could be said to anyone who "thought" they were better, knew more, understood more, was better educated and in the end would be considered the fool.
Now, I am off to take this ignorant little behind to the kitchen where you probably harbor the opinion that all women should be and do some Christmas baking. Sir, come down from your loft. It should be pretty lonely up there. Come down with the rest of us and you might be surprised.
We don't all feel the need to wear our IQ's pasted on out butts for you to read.
posted on December 22, 2000 07:34:11 AM new
Hello Krs,
Thank you for providing that link.
While I would still prefer to see the original statements (be they in a speech, a prepared statement or a news report) I guess I will have to settle for what I can get in this particular instance.
One reason I seem to be a pissant about verification of facts is that oft times something is written or reported and then picked up and perpetuated by later authors without authentication. If the original report wasn't factual or accurate to begin with a "fact" can come into being by sheer dint of repetition.
Apparently Jackson made the poisonous flower statement (as he made other more public statements). But just as apparently, he repudiated it when he apologized.
posted on December 22, 2000 08:07:33 AM new
Networker67,
"If you like I can call tomorrow and probably get a copy of the speech delivered. The writer of the speech was fired. That's a fact, in fact he's suing over it."
"And since jamesoblivion said it was said why not ask him where he got it from. What's the matter scared it comes from some Right Wing Jewish Group with the agenda of thwarting the peace process web site. Or worse was actually said by someone else."
You offered to obtain the text of the speech.
"And the part about the speech writer being fired. You should have known it was a joke because everyone knows Jesse writes that stuff himself. Unlike the President, Mayor, Congressman, Senator who rely on their sentiments be handed to them from a political party. And if you didn't realize it was a joke shame on you. I've got to learn those similes"
You stated it was a fact. No smiley face or any Internet literary convention to indicate otherwise.
"All of the so called anti-semetic statements were made before 1980. The main one he harped one was from a sermon given at the Church of Gus Savage."
What does it matter where a person makes a statement?
posted on December 22, 2000 08:42:11 AM new
savoy- a great and moral leader? how many bigoted statements can someone make and then apologize about before one realizes that they are either a pathological liar who really doesn't know what they are doing or on a political agenda consciously blurting out how they really feel and then covering it up when called on it? networker- you seem to have started to admire Jackson since you were a young man and have not seen another charismatic Black leader come along so as if by default you are sticking with him for better or worse.you do not seem to participate in hypotheticals, but if he were to come out of the closet and admit to being anti-semitic would you still be a supporter? it might have been nice if you had started off your posting day by wishing happy Hanukkah to your Jewish "friends" here but apparently you didn't remember or care or both. has anyone heard Jesse do this today? Happy Hanukkah to all from Stusi.
[ edited by stusi on Dec 22, 2000 08:55 AM ]
posted on December 22, 2000 09:35:25 AM newI got this image of you typing with one hand while nervously toying with a pair of large ball bearings with the other
ROTF, Xardon! Thats the best phrase I have seen so far! HAHAHA!
posted on December 22, 2000 09:37:15 AM newHJW - Did you bother to do some further research on the issue. Or did you stop at the rhetoric of Right Wing Jewish Sects. Here's some dissertation work that better sums it up. Perhaps knowing why the rift existed between Blacks and Jews would help you place the time and feelings of a lot of my people at the time.
Then again you expect me to talk urban and bow to massa. So I wouldn't expect you to take the time to search the what, where, when, and how. Strange that most Americans like to have it handed them to them as opposed to seeking the greater understanding that comes from breaking through the topsoil.
Well here's some breaking through the topsoil for you. Perhaps it will help you fully understand the rift between Blacks and Jews during the early to middle 70s.
http://www.firstthings.com/ftissues/ft9408/articles/shapiro.html
Keep in mind written by a Jewish person. unlike that rhetoric of the jewish ultra right wing. It focuses on the issue from both perspectives.
stusi - How's about giving me a damn good reason to abandon. Ultra Jewish Right Wing Groups saying so isn't what I would call valid. Strange white americans would ask a black american to abandon a leader and person working to their empowerment. But those same white americans won't abandon a flag that symbolizes successionist views at best, ignorance of slavery and white superiority at worse. At least Jesse works for me and mine, that flag works for nothing and stands for the same thing you would have me abandon Jesse over. As helen pointed out Jesse held those views and changed with time and understanding. The flag in question has a set meaning that hasn't changed and hasn't attempted to change. Heck less than five minutes ago I counted it on three jackets, four cars, and the Flag of where I am resembles it in a chilling reminder sort of way.
On that holocaust thing, If I told you where to look you wouldn't see it. But I'll give you a chance to prove me wrong read Ezekiel and Zechariah. If you know how the read the book that should give you enough to find the rest. And on the religion tip since we are here. Understanding of God doesn't come from having it handed to you from a pulpit, it comes from seeking it on your with your own knowledge and wisdom. The Big Guy upstairs does the rest if your search is purely for understanding of things of this world.
Oh yeah I see your reading comprehension is slipping again. I said when I was 12 years old every kid wanted to be Andrew Young. Go back and read the post again. This lack of comprehension in reading I find deeply troubling. I have to question does it come from schooling or lack of. Or is it intentional because you know that so many people don't read they assume that the next person accurately quotes. And as I just pointed out some people seem to not have that ability.
stusi - I am a former Army Officer, I served under Colin Powell as one of his staff Officers. I met Reginald Lewis in Paris, my Uncle is a Federal Judge, my mother had a PhD in History. I don't need Jesse as a role model besides as a youngster I gravatied towards people like Mac Aruthr, Patton, Da Vinci, Bannaker, Douglas, Du Bois, Hinton, and Marshall both Thurgood and General Marshall. So not in short supply of heros growing up. Jesse Jackson like him or love him is a figure to my people and I prefer him to the atheltes and celebrities america tries to stick in front of my youth.
savoyking - you are 100% right.
codasaurus - It wasn't a speech it was a sermon. Now go and bother you kids or something. I am not your plaything.
shar9 - Sorry you feel that way. Now what have I posted to make you think I am sexist is beyond me. It got to this point when it was discovered that we were entering areas that most people can't have intelligent dialogue about.
posted on December 22, 2000 09:49:56 AM newshar9 - Sorry you feel that way. Now what have I posted to make you think I am sexist is beyond me. It got to this point when it was discovered that we were entering areas that most people can't have intelligent dialogue about.
It was discovered by you, networker. I haven't posted, because I happen to agree with stockticker, and it isn't worth raising my blood pressure over. But your comments about the average intellegence of AW users was insulting, and apparently not only to me. JMHO, but your idea of an intellegent dialogue seems to be one where everyone agrees with you. It wasn't sexist - it was insulting. But what the hell - no moderation if you insult the general readership. Only if you pick one person, I guess.
Sorry. Moderate me if you must, but calling shar on telling networker how rude that comment was, but not calling networker on insulting the general public here at AW seems off the wall to me.
You're right. I've spoken my piece. *zips lips definitively on the topic*
