posted on March 3, 2006 01:18:25 PM new
Classic, a guy from Canada who's FOR the seal hunt, and Paul McCartney who's against it, will be on Larry King tonight. I know this is a big issue for you, so I thought you might want to watch it.
I'm hoping if they show seal-slaughtering clips, they also show clips of calf, cow and chicken slaughtering so each person can make a balanced decision on what's good or bad.
posted on March 3, 2006 02:05:25 PM new
I just got an arguement about this with some woman at the post office that informed me that I have to stop eating Canadian sea food in protest.
What she doesn't understand is just how close she came to being clubbed when she pulled my earphones out to tell me about this dire topic.
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posted on March 3, 2006 03:57:44 PM new
I watched a little about it on the news yesterday. The Canadians justify the seal killing because the over population of the seals are killing all the fish.. and fishing is their livelihood.
I'm not sure that it is the hunting of the seal that is what most find objectionable or the way they are being killed?
posted on March 3, 2006 05:20:06 PM new
"I'm hoping if they show seal-slaughtering clips, they also show clips of calf, cow and chicken slaughtering so each person can make a balanced decision on what's good or bad."
No thanks Kraft,I couldnt watch that.However,Im glad that this is getting some national attention.
"I watched a little about it on the news yesterday. The Canadians justify the seal killing because the over population of the seals are killing all the fish.. and fishing is their livelihood.
I'm not sure that it is the hunting of the seal that is what most find objectionable or the way they are being killed?"
Yes maggie,if they HAVE to kill them for that reason,why cant they shoot them,that will be a hell of a lot less painless then beating them to death.
posted on March 3, 2006 06:31:39 PM new
Yes, Kraft, inhumane treatment of helpless animals is sick.
I had to stop watching Animal Cops , or was it Animal precinct.. I can't believe how people treat animals, it makes me sick to my stomach.
Colin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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posted on March 3, 2006 06:33:04 PM new
Maggie, I understand your rational. My thinking is if they really wanted to save the fish, they would go after the main culprit.
"“More Iraqis think things are going well in Iraq than Americans do. I guess they don’t get the New York Times over there.”—Jay Leno".
posted on March 3, 2006 07:03:40 PM new
A federal appropriations bill by Sen. Conrad Burns (R) of Montana, and signed by President Bush, was a measure allowing the slaughter and export of horse meat from thousands of animals used to running free. Horse lovers are trying to get the measure reversed.(This was last years news)
No, I haven't watched that movie yet, Classy, it's on hbo but I just never tuned in..I will now that you have said it is good.
posted on March 3, 2006 08:26:42 PM new
Wild horses in some areas have run up againts two brick walls at the same time: 1) The welfare cattle ranchers, who raise their beef at public expense on public land, and who think any other creature that happens to graze is eating their grass, and the high dollar elk hunting "sportsmen", who can't tell a horse from an elk and cover for it by claiming the horses are overgrazing elk habitat. Either way, the mustangs are f@cked. We've added a few adopted wild Nevada mustang mares to our herd over the years. They have thrown great foals for us.
Pretty much anybody here knows I'm one of those radical animal lovers, and at the risk of being a cut and paster, the Canadian Fisheries homepage has quite a bit of information on the seal hunt. I don't know that I buy it all, because I've seen the same kind of BS touted by the U.S. beef industry. Some of it makes sense, though. You can read it for yourself at the link below. Here's only a couple of out-takes.
Myth #1: The Canadian government allows sealers to kill whitecoat seals.
Reality: The image of the whitecoat harp seal is used prominently by seal hunt opponents. This image gives the false impression that vulnerable seal pups are targeted by sealers during the commercial hunt.
The hunting of harp seal pups (whitecoats) and hooded seal pups (bluebacks) is illegal – and has been since 1987. Marine Mammal Regulations prohibit the trade, sale or barter of the fur of these pups. Furthermore, adult seals cannot be harvested when they are in breeding or birthing grounds and younger seals must be weaned, self-reliant and independent.
Myth #4: The Canadian government is allowing sealers to kill thousands of seals to help with the recovery of cod stocks.
Reality: Several factors have contributed to the lack of recovery of Atlantic cod stocks, such as fishing effort, poor growth and physical condition of the fish, and environmental changes.
In addition, there are many uncertainties in the estimates of the amount of fish consumed by seals. The commercial quota is established on sound conservation principles, not an attempt to assist in the recovery of groundfish stocks.
Myth #5: The hunt is unsustainable and is endangering the harp seal population.
Reality: Since the 1960’s, environmental groups have been saying the seal hunt is unsustainable. In fact, the harp seal population is healthy and abundant. According to a 2004 survey, the Northwest Atlantic harp seal population is now estimated at approximately 5.8 million animals, nearly triple what it was in the 1970s.
DFO sets quotas at levels that ensure the health and abundance of seal herds. In no way are seals - and harp seals in particular – an “endangered species”.
What I do find incredibly hypocritical though is the people who are whining about these seals don't think a thing about the chickens, lambs, calves, turkeys and hogs they eat on a daily basis and the incredibly inhumane ways they are raised and slaughtered. Seals may get clubbed to death, but they don't end their lives having spent them in a wire cage so small they couldn't turn around, being fed a chemical gruel that includes antibiotics to treat the pus pockets that boil up on their skin due to constant contact with feces and damp, fetid air.
I'll take a seal's chances any day.
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posted on March 4, 2006 03:05:56 AM new
I agree with you on the inhumane ways of the chickens,turkeys etc.are treated.However,I think the need for food is a lot more needy then the need for fur.I have NEVER ever, met anyone who wore a seal coat.As I said before,why cant they just shoot the animal instead of beating them to death???? In N.Y. we have deer in season in November.This is a necessity as there is an over population of deer.If we didn't have deer season,there would be too many deer and many of them would starve to death.We shoot them and they are eaten as "venison". Again I don't have a problem killing animals for food,but beating seals to death for fur?? yea thats a real necessity<gigantic eyeroll>
posted on March 4, 2006 05:47:44 AM new
I'm not disagreeing with you classic, just trying to cut through some of the hysteria about this hunt. A poorly shot seal is going to suffer as much as a poorly clubbed one I'll bet. I'm sorry to see that the activists who oppose the fur trade aren't doing more to educate and outrage the market though, like they used to. I always get a kick out of seeing a news pic of some rich puke in fur with red paint splashed all over their pricey coat.
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posted on March 4, 2006 06:46:18 AM new
Baby seals aren't hunted Peepa. And there are very few bear permits issued nationwide, haven't been for a long long time. What would you do with the overpopulation of White Tailed Deer, since their natural predators have been eliminated? Feed them? How many have you adopted?
Have you ever posted a reply to a thread here and managed to keep political references out of it?
Try it. Go on. I dare you.
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posted on March 4, 2006 07:24:05 AM new
"I always get a kick out of seeing a news pic of some rich puke in fur with red paint splashed all over their pricey coat."
Profe-I remember my mom owning a mink stole and a mink coat.She got them back in the early 50's
At the time I was pretty young,and never gave much thought about it.Today you hardly see anyone wearing a mink stole or coat anymore.In fact today,you hardly see anyone dressed up anymore
posted on March 4, 2006 08:46:54 AM new
Bravo, Prof... "“More Iraqis think things are going well in Iraq than Americans do. I guess they don’t get the New York Times over there.”—Jay Leno".
posted on March 4, 2006 08:59:46 AM new
fenix03, asked me.
"What would you do with the overpopulation of White Tailed Deer"
My answer is kill the deer. I have no problem with hunting or killing animals for food or profit. I also don't have a problem killing animals that attack humans.
posted on March 4, 2006 09:27:48 AM new
profe51 asked me. Have you ever posted a reply to a thread here and managed to keep political references out of it?
My answer. Killing baby seals doesn't have a political reference to it already? LOL There is a boycott of goods over the killing of seals. That sounds political to me.
You might want to give the same advice to Bear1949. Check Bear's earlier post about clubbing liberals not seals.
profe51 since Bear's political post is o.k. with you and mine isn't try this one on for size.
We know tens of thousands Innocent Humans have been killed by Bush's war in Iraq. We know over 400 Humans have been killed in the last week alone. I wonder will more Humans be killed in Bush's Iraq war than seals this year?
posted on March 4, 2006 10:41:20 AM new
what should we do with the overpouplation of another specie called the HOMO SAPIEN?
SHOOT OR CLUB??
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When the inuits were nomadic hunters ,the seal is caught and eaten,the liver,the meat and the blood drunk.The skin is used for waterproof boots and parkas and the seal oil is used to light a serpentine lamp for cooking and heating.
If the caribou is their father,then the seal is their mother,both are needed for survival.
Then comes 1939 when the caribous changed their migration route,that ends the life of Inuits as hunters and fisherman as without the caribou,they cannot make parkas and they cannot stand out in the cold by the seal hole or fish hole waiting for the seal to surface for air,in the end many just die of exposure and starvation.
This so called 'eskimo suicide' is to leave your igloo and walk and keep walking until you freeze to death.
Without the Inuits hunting seals and walruses,there must be abundant seals and walruses and caribous too.as in the later years the Inuits learned to shoot with rifles and trapping white fox.
Now the Inuits are like us,living in wooden houses,govt checks and working in office,fishing and hunting is more like a hobby.
/ lets all stop whining !! /
posted on March 4, 2006 11:24:58 AM new
First off, I think Heather McCartney or whatever she goes by, is a poor representative for anything. She never stops talking - about herself. Go find another cause, bimbo!
Secondly, I'd like to know what difference there is in the way an animal is killed, whether it's killed for food or fur. Doesn't inhumane killing apply to both? Do you eat mink, ermine, fox, chinchilla, etc.? Do you know how they're killed?
Maggie, I agree with you so much. I can't watch anything on tv if an animal is sick or whatever. If I see an animal tht's been abused, I feel I could kill the person. I saw a few seconds of video about how the Chinese make those little, real fur, life-like animals they have out - they make them from real cats and kittens. The rest you can imagine. I cried all night.
