Linda_K
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posted on January 4, 2006 01:10:33 PM
Oh....gotta get a laugh out of a Canadian, kiara, who's usually pointing out how LITTLE the US does for other countries.
And her take on the situation is wrong, as usual, imo.
It's not a matter for some of us of NOT helping other countries....we DO....always have....it's a matter of taking care of OUR OWN first.
Our OWN flood victims....then if we can afford to help others - fine.
Our OWN hiv/aids patients [notice please I don't see them as 'victims'] FIRST...then if we can help other countries - again fine.
Just like most parents [which I understand many of you here AREN'T] would feed their own family FIRST. Then donated to causes that help others.
No different, imo.
[ edited by Linda_K on Jan 4, 2006 01:15 PM ]
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kiara
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posted on January 4, 2006 01:16:09 PM
Oh....gotta get a laugh out of a Canadian, kiara, who's usually pointing out how LITTLE the US does for other countries.
You are wrong on several points as usual, lindak.
But rant on ...... it's about the only way you can make it through your day.
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Linda_K
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posted on January 4, 2006 01:19:04 PM
LOL...no rant [again you and mingo have a HUGE problem projecting your OWN feelings on others]...just pointing out how one minute your blasting America because we don't do enough. 
I know the truth of your prior statements bothers you....too bad. Learn to deal with it. You sure accept it from those on your side....including yourself. Don't be a hypocrite too, kiara.
[ edited by Linda_K on Jan 4, 2006 01:21 PM ]
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kiara
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posted on January 4, 2006 01:26:05 PM
Where did I say America didn't do enough. All I ever did was point out the fact that America was not numero uno on the world donor list when some thought it was and that most of their donations went to Israel.
Nowhere have I ever said that the US doesn't do enough.
But keep lying, lindak. It's what you're best at on all the boards you frequent because you don't have the ability to absorb another opinion unless it's lauding Bush or kissing your ass.
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kraftdinner
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posted on January 4, 2006 01:35:16 PM
Kiara, I've never heard you say anything like that either. How silly! But if you need a good belly laugh, stick around. Double should be here any second to back-up Linda's negativity.
P.S. I hope you're getting settled into your new house. What a fun way to start off the new year! 
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Linda_K
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posted on January 4, 2006 01:42:11 PM
Sure you have kiara. When the topic was how MUCH America does for the world.
YOU were one of the first to come in and point out how little we give....when some rightie...want to say bear...but not sure pointed out how generous we are as a Nation.
YOU, kiara, compared what we give % wise to Canada and other countries. Pointing out how little it was by our GNP.
No surprise you and your back up liar can't remember.....it's the drugs, imo, in KD's case....your TYPICAL denial of what you've said in your case.
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WashingtoneBayer
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posted on January 4, 2006 01:47:38 PM
Missing out? No I don't think so. I have different priorities than you do.
Helping Africa isn't one of them. Nice they did something but with all the whining about people here, why not spend it in the US?
Ron
"Better to be hated for who you are than loved for who you are not."
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kiara
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posted on January 4, 2006 01:49:47 PM
Kraft, I'm waiting for paint to dry. 
I should have known that praising past presidents for their good deeds isn't acceptable here and that my choosing to live in Canada for now would be brought into the topic again because of someone in a pissy mood.
Once again lindak is lying and there are no links to back up her claims because they don't exist.
I guess next time I post I should just cheer more about the killings and torturing worldwide. 
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kiara
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posted on January 4, 2006 01:53:55 PM
washingtonebayer, if you have different priorities I have no problem with that.
To each their own.
I think President Clinton is doing positive work and he is sincere in what he does, that was my point in posting to begin with.
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Linda_K
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posted on January 4, 2006 01:55:28 PM
Oh so now kiara's denying she EVER said that. How very typical.
and how very sad.
No need for a link....others do and others will continue to watch you deny things you've said or done here.
They won't need me posting a link...they'll get your 'number' soon enough on their own.
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kiara
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posted on January 4, 2006 02:09:11 PM
Of course there is no need for a link when you lie about others, lindak.
Faithful lapdogs won't need one either.
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kraftdinner
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posted on January 4, 2006 02:17:35 PM
What colours did you pick, Kiara? or did you do the safe white paint everywhere?
I just can't imagine how some people thrive on being negative about the great work Clinton is doing. Especially the "Christians" here. The ones that are taught to forgive, yet hold grudges for YEARS! What hypocrites.
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Linda_K
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posted on January 4, 2006 02:28:08 PM
Disagreeing with OPINIONS is not being a hypocrite, KD.
There REALLY is a loose brain disconnect going on in your head.
And it's your own twisted way of taking what's said...that you base and form your WRONG opinions on.
I call it lying about others...but even kaira doesn't know the difference between a lie and a false accusation. So she won't be able to see the difference either.
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kiara
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posted on January 4, 2006 02:32:26 PM
Kraft, most of my house was newly done in a safe off-white color before I moved in and for now I'm leaving it that way as I have lots of colored accent pieces.
I'm painting some counters, etc in my new business location while I'm waiting for some dividing walls to come down.
Men are such slow workers after all the holiday treats and it takes them awhile to get back into action! Actually I think I have the same problem.
Back on topic, I stand by my words that I think President Clinton is doing excellent work.
I wonder what President Bush will choose to do when he retires? Has anyone ever asked him?
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kraftdinner
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posted on January 4, 2006 02:33:15 PM
"Disagreeing with OPINIONS is not being a hypocrite, KD."
No, but calling yourself a Christian and not being able to forgive people is.
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getalife
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posted on January 4, 2006 02:35:55 PM
Any study of the spread of AIDS in the US will show that the gay community was a major factor in its spread due to the casual sex of the late seventies and early eighties especially in that community. But because it spread rapidly in the gay community very little importance was attached to it as mostly male homosexuals, needle users, and hemophiliacs had the disease. Many people give Ronald Reagan credit for allowing AIDS to reach quantum levels as his administration practically ignored it. In Africa it is not a gay disease.
Some of the earliest cases, if not the earliest, occurred in the Krome Detention Center among Haitian homosexuals. In fact for a while Haiti was thought to be the source. There is also reported to have been a case in St Louis in the sixties that wasn't identified until about 1982 or 83. I believe the person was sixteen and no one else was ever associated with it. And here is something I think the Neocons will really appreciate. The steward, Gaetan Dugas who infected so many people was French-Canadian. I think he was responsible for about 400 plus cases.
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kraftdinner
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posted on January 4, 2006 02:46:52 PM
Getalife, HIV might have been spread by gays but it's still a human issue, not a gay issue. How many diseases do we catagorize as being spread by heterosexuals?
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Linda_K
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posted on January 4, 2006 03:05:48 PM
Okay, KD, who I thought was just going to ignore me
just who here as made the statement they don't /can't forgive him is actions?
I've NEVER seen anyone admit to that.
AGAIN it's YOUR opinion and you have NO way of knowing the truth about anyone UNLESS they say it themselves.
But you've joined the little group that feels free to continue taking what others have said and then choose to continue embelishing it in your own way. Forming false conclusions.
I call it lying. Just like when you kept doing it about just who pulled the thread back up. NO different. Out and out lying.
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getalife
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posted on January 4, 2006 03:15:09 PM
KD, you are correct, it is a human issue but in this country, the USA, it was largely spread by male homosexuals and needle drug abusers, and to deny this is simply to deny the facts. I also pointed out that in Africa this is not the case. And I will reiterate the point that one of the reasons it spread is because Ronnald Reagan and the gang did not care one whit about the gay community or drug users. To them it was good riddance. You can bet that if it was predominately rich white republicans who had the disease research would have occurred at a much faster pace and been much better financed.
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kraftdinner
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posted on January 4, 2006 03:27:05 PM
Linda, I'm trying to ignore your silliness. You've become very negative - almost to the point where every post you make has something negative in it about another poster/s or person. You automatically call everyone who disagrees with you a liar. Your posts are now so hate-filled and unrelated to the topic that it makes no sense to me to read them anymore. You use to be a good debater. Now you just seem like a troll. If something's up that's making you so negative, tell us or seek help and deal with it. Quit taking out your rage on all of us.
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kraftdinner
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posted on January 4, 2006 03:35:56 PM
Getalife, I guess my point was, so what if it was spread by gays? It's still not a gay disease. If you do some Googling like I did, you will see that it's suspected the virus has been around since the 1930's in Africa and caused by an infected chimpazee - this is the most recent theory.
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Linda_K
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posted on January 4, 2006 04:25:25 PM
Well...that may be the way it appears to you, but then you expect I'm going to sit quietly by when false statements are made about MY beliefs/MY opinions and how I think about anything.
It's just not going to happen. If you liberals would quit making false statements about the positions of others and ASK instead of stating MY positions as FACTS....then I won't appear so negative to you.
Take some responsibility upon yourselves as to what happens and why.
Hell...it's obvious you can't tell fact from fiction....you prove it over and over by your own words.
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Linda_K
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posted on January 4, 2006 05:12:50 PM
As getalife said and AS fenix told you " don't try to rewrite history".....that's what you've tried to do here.
Saying this disease wasn't about gays....when it most certainly was and just who was the busiest spread it around America.
Again, imo, liberals defending the behavior...that gave a death sentence to many - and who continue to spread the deaths of way too many innocent victims. It's called being promiscuous....both gays and now too many, imo, in the general population. But KD's value system is 'who does it hurt'. My answer, it's killed way too many people and made others deathly sick....that's who...that's what. THEIR OWN lifestyle choices actually HAVE affected the lives of others....even though KD has always seen it so differently. Live and let live. AGain....fine...they take care of themselves.
Get medical insurance of their own to protect there own risky behaviors. DON'T tell others they're 'wrong' when they live their lives differently and don't have to go running to the gov. to make it all better.
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getalife said: KD, you are correct, it is a human issue but in this country, the USA, it was largely spread by male homosexuals and needle drug abusers, and to deny this is simply to deny the facts.
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bunnicula
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posted on January 4, 2006 05:39:52 PM
The fact remains, Linda, that while in this country it has been spread mostly by homosexuals, the disease did not originate with them. In Africa, where it started, it is a heterosexual disease. No "re-writing" has been done.
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kraftdinner
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posted on January 4, 2006 05:51:46 PM
Thank-you Bunni.
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Linda_K
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posted on January 4, 2006 06:06:39 PM
bunni - I have posted a link to when and where they believe GLOBAL aids started....there is MUCH disagreement on that.
My statements have been to those who caused the spread of aids in MY country. Not chosing to live in denial like some here do....nor be PC about it.
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and KD again on your judgemental statement above:
No, but calling yourself a Christian and not being able to forgive people is.
Who are you to judge me? You who SAY you have a 'made up' God....one that only you believe in. You are not and never will be MY judge.....thank heaven.
And you've never had a clue who I forgive nor who I don't. And it doesn't affect YOUR life...as you're so fond of saying to others....live and let live. Oh...I see....only when it applies to things YOU want allowed to happen. OF course.
And I have also posted before on these boards that a LOT of Christians would NOT like nor share my belief system....would not consider me to be a true Christian. They don't get to judge me either My maker/MY heavenly Father will do that. Everything else is just someone else's OPINION....and I could care less.
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kraftdinner
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posted on January 4, 2006 06:10:03 PM
Sure. Whatever you say, Linda.
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Linda_K
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posted on January 4, 2006 07:01:12 PM
Well GREAT. And I've said it's 'let everyone live their life as they want to' 'how does it affect you?' Those area your statements KD....not mine.
But when we see the distructiveness of those same behaviors YOU so support....then you're not going to answer...deal with what YOU condone what YOU support...and what YOU expect the American taxpayers to pay for.
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kraftdinner
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posted on January 4, 2006 07:40:35 PM
Where did all your smilies go Linda? Did i hit a nerve?
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Linda_K
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posted on January 4, 2006 07:47:14 PM
Not at all KD....still 'talking' to me, just can't support your position of 'do whatever you want and then demand the government make it all better/pay for it'.
You liberals sure have a ton of issues with my smilies. It's your problem....and no you haven't 'hit a nerve'.
You're a socialist. As I've said.
We all should live our lives in what ever manner we want to....do what ever we want to....BUT demand it's our governments responsiblity to take care of the consequences.
You're in a tiny, tiny minority that feel that way, KD. Only socialists believe the government is responsible for paying our way.
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